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14:53:11 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:53:11 <Lisa> agenda?
14:55:43 <Lisa> Q?
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15:01:12 <charli> present +
15:01:19 <Lisa> Q?
15:01:32 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
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15:03:41 <julierawe> present+
15:03:58 <Lisa> present+
15:04:15 <Lisa> next item
15:04:20 <Rachael> present+
15:04:36 <Lisa> scribe+ Julierawe
15:04:58 <Lisa> next item
15:05:08 <Lisa> close item 1
15:05:16 <julierawe> regrets Jan
15:05:43 <julierawe> Lisa: We don't have quorum yet. We may just do half an hour if we don't have quorum.
15:05:57 <Lisa> (holiday on 31st August
15:05:57 <Lisa> September 7th is Labor  day
15:06:12 <Lisa> next item
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15:06:25 <julierawe> Lisa: No COGA meetings for those Mondays for our summer holiday.
15:06:30 <Lisa> close item 2
15:06:33 <julierawe> Lisa: I also sent this info to the list.
15:07:06 <julierawe> Lisa: Does anyone have updates they want to share?
15:07:14 <julierawe> kirkwood: I have to leave early today.
15:07:30 <Lisa> close item 3
15:07:38 <julierawe> Lisa: We don't have quorum yet and can't make decisions unless a couple more people join.
15:07:57 <julierawe> Lisa: We have the research call tomorrow.
15:08:08 <julierawe> Lisa: We have the COGA review of WCAG 3 on Thursday.
15:08:40 <julierawe> Lisa: I was thinking this Thursday would be a good time to do Text and Wording if Len or Jan can make it on Thursday.
15:09:13 <julierawe> present+ LenB
15:09:32 <julierawe> LenB: Yes, I can make it this Thursday.
15:10:00 <julierawe> Lisa: We can talk about scheduling so people know what to do over the summer holiday.
15:10:11 <Lisa> next item
15:10:16 <julierawe> Lisa: We'll start with Text and Wording and then do scheduling when hopefully more people can come.
15:10:50 <Lisa> close item 4
15:11:24 <julierawe> Lisa: For tomorrow's research call, we want to gather gaps from the WCAG 3 review where COGA wants to gather more research.
15:11:44 <julierawe> Lisa: If we have someone who is committed to doing the research, that would be fantastic.
15:12:05 <julierawe> Lisa: At last week's research call, we decided to do issues papers (research modules) but also wiki pages.
15:12:24 <julierawe> Lisa: For example, if someone wants to know about typefaces and there is no conclusive research, that is probably better as a wiki page.
15:12:43 <julierawe> Lisa: We are going to try to have a full draft of a research module on user testing.
15:12:58 <julierawe> Rachael: Do you mean for an assertion in WCAG 3?
15:13:24 <julierawe> Lisa: I mean a COGA research module (formerly called "issue paper").
15:14:01 <julierawe> Lisa: We're thinking a research module on how to do user testing with people with cognitive and learning disabilities.
15:14:17 <julierawe> Lisa: We think that will be really helpful for WCAG 3 if this COGA resource exists.
15:14:41 <julierawe> Lisa: Are there other areas in WCAG 3 that you've noticed people saying we need more research that is related to COGA?
15:15:05 <julierawe> Rachael: WCAG 3 has notes in the draft where we say more research is needed.
15:15:26 <julierawe> Rachael: If a provision is exploratory, that means it needs more research.
15:15:43 <julierawe> Rachael: There are also provisions at the developing level where we have notes saying more research is needed.
15:16:01 <julierawe> Lisa: If we do a search on the word "research," will it take us to all of these places?
15:16:06 <Rachael> Step 1: Search the editors draft for exploratory https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/guidelines/
15:16:13 <julierawe> Rachael: Step 1: Search the editor's draft for "exploratory."
15:16:41 <julierawe> Rachael: Step 2: If you think exploratory provisions should move forward, they need research that justifies them moving forward.
15:16:51 <julierawe> q+
15:16:54 <Rachael> This needs research justifying the requirements.
15:17:08 <Rachael> Search 2: Search the working draft for the word "Research"
15:17:23 <Rachael> This will show gaps needed to complete a requirement
15:17:29 <julierawe> Rachael: Step 3: If you search the working draft for the word "research," that will show you all of the gaps for provisions that are at the developing level.
15:18:03 <julierawe> Lisa: Please get those to COGA's research group so we can try to look into them.
15:18:12 <Lisa> ack next
15:18:25 <julierawe> Rachael: I would focus on the exploratory provisions because at some point we will settle on a scope for WCAG 3.
15:20:21 <julierawe> julierawe: Should we continue to submit GitHub issues showing support for exploratory issues?
15:20:33 <julierawe> Rachael: Yes, it's good to formally submit GitHub issues.
15:20:56 <julierawe> Rachael: If you have research that shows how helpful the provision is, that would help move it forward.
15:21:17 <julierawe> Lisa: We may put in an issue asking what is missing in terms of research.
15:21:59 <julierawe> Lisa: Let's add this to our agenda at Thursday's call for the COGA review of WCAG 3.
15:22:31 <julierawe> Lisa: There is some coordination that is needed between COGA's research group and COGA's WCAG 3 review group.
15:22:47 <julierawe> q+
15:22:55 <Rachael> q+
15:23:00 <Lisa> ack next
15:23:53 <julierawe> julierawe: Is there a timeline for the cutoff?
15:24:09 <julierawe> Rachael: I'm guessing it will be in a year. We won't remove things, but they may not make it into the first draft.
15:24:11 <Rachael> q-
15:24:31 <julierawe> Lisa: Are there any surveys you need COGA to complete?
15:24:37 <julierawe> Rachael: No.
15:26:38 <julierawe> Lisa: The research group is small.
15:26:55 <julierawe> Lisa: We may get to it in 3 months time or 6 months time.
15:27:11 <julierawe> Lisa: Not all of the exploratory provisions are related to COGA.
15:27:37 <julierawe> Lisa: Who should decide which provisions COGA should research?
15:27:52 <julierawe> Lisa: We don't know what research they have and don't have.
15:28:18 <julierawe> Lisa: As a first step, we could open a GitHub issue asking what research do you have, what do you need.
15:28:54 <julierawe> Lisa: For example, is there a small area that needs more research, such as double negatives in German.
15:30:38 <Lisa> Q?
15:31:36 <julierawe> julierawe proposed that the Thursday group open issues for exploratory provisions asking what exactly do they need and then tag the COGA research group.
15:32:03 <Lisa> what is the reaserch questions that need answers and we can try and find them via litary review
15:32:10 <julierawe> Lisa: We don't want to promise more than we can do.
15:32:26 <Lisa> Q?
15:33:12 <Lisa> next item
15:33:14 <julierawe> Lisa: Maybe julierawe should write a letter to the AG in general because maybe there were things the subgroups wanted to add but didn't because they didn't have the research,
15:36:04 <Lisa> next item
15:36:04 <julierawe> Action item: julierawe will ask the AG editors if there are pointed questions where the subgroups urgently need research on topics related to COGA.
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15:36:40 <julierawe> Lisa: Do we want to propose any breakout sessions for TPAC?
15:36:42 <LenB> present+
15:37:08 <julierawe> Lisa: I would imagine the research group would like to have a breakout session again.
15:38:24 <julierawe> julierawe suggested a breakout session that encourages people to say what COGA research they'd like to have.
15:38:34 <julierawe> Lisa: Maybe that could be a short agenda item for an AG meeting.
15:39:07 <julierawe> LenB: There are some APA things we could talk about, like the amounts tag. Are there other things we could be working with them on?
15:39:18 <julierawe> q+
15:39:51 <julierawe> Lisa: Let's discuss on Monday's COGA call and send to Janina.
15:41:07 <julierawe> Lisa: We have the coordination call tomorrow with Janina and I can bounced that off of her.
15:41:14 <Lisa> ack next
15:42:54 <julierawe> Can anyone open the link in Rachael's August 10 email titled "TPAC Breakout Sessions Information"?
15:43:16 <julierawe> There is a link that says "View proposed session" and I get an error message.
15:43:22 <julierawe> Lisa: I get a 404 as well.
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15:44:58 <julierawe> Lisa: We could make a proposal that is suitably vague?
15:46:09 <julierawe> julierawe noted the deadline to submit a proposal for a breakout session is October 8th.
15:46:50 <julierawe> LenB: Maybe an in-person touchpoint would be helpful: "Come arm-wrestle with us."
15:47:22 <julierawe> Lisa: It's two months away.
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15:49:09 <julierawe> julierawe: It could be a continuation of our request for pointed questions about COGA-related research.
15:49:16 <julierawe> Lisa: It could be no one comes.
15:49:31 <julierawe> LenB: I'll be there roving the halls.
15:49:55 <julierawe> Lisa: It sounds like a joint session with AG and a joint session with APA on how we can help you more.
15:50:50 <julierawe> julierawe: As a next step, let's ask Rachael and Janina at tomorrow's coordination call.
15:51:02 <julierawe> Lisa: I remember regretting it last time because it was so much work.
15:51:14 <julierawe> Lisa: Will we have enough in two months to say something new?
15:51:45 <julierawe> LenB: Or is a meeting where we have them tell us what research is missing in their world that they'd like us to help with?
15:51:51 <Lisa> next item
15:52:06 <Lisa> Zakim thinks agendum 7 -- wording proposal for describing our scope and user groups . See
15:52:06 <Lisa> 18:44 * Zakim ... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uOM1xedlK-uIRZYXXTO7c3yEhFt9Mf5qNx4RITbtq1M/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.fmq9gn18ur3a -
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15:52:52 <julierawe> Lisa: Last week we talked about rewording the section where we describe what "cognitive accessibility support" covers.
15:54:18 <julierawe> julierawe: I took a quick look and like that it starts with functional needs but it's dense/hard to skim.
15:54:39 <julierawe> Lisa: Do you want to use suggesting mode to suggest how to make it easier to skim?
15:55:30 <julierawe> julierawe: Yes, happy to.
15:55:57 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19iZvagIvmVzmQfL4RZz1XTDLP1QXud8oVR8K4eSY9D8/edit?tab=t.5iy39zebvsv4#heading=h.31g0erm6a3kz - is the feedback doc
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