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15:55:55 <AndyS> zakim, start meeting
15:55:55 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:55:56 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndyS
15:56:07 <AndyS> meeting: RDF and SPARQL Working Group
15:56:20 <AndyS> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/08/06-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:56:20 <AndyS> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/08/20-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:56:20 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
15:56:34 <AndyS> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260813T120000/#agenda
15:56:34 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:56:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/08/06-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:56:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:56:35 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:56:36 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:56:39 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:56:53 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:56:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/13-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
15:57:10 <AndyS> agenda?
15:57:30 <AndyS> present+
15:58:16 <ktk> present+
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15:59:20 <ktk> regrets+ gwt, william-vw, enrico
15:59:26 <olaf> present+
15:59:37 <pfps> present+
15:59:48 <tl> present+
16:00:12 <rubensworks> present+
16:00:53 <niklasl> present+
16:00:58 <TallTed> present+
16:03:00 <ktk> scribe: olaf:
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16:03:04 <ktk> chair: ora
16:03:08 <ktk> scribe: olaf
16:03:10 <ora> present+
16:03:16 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
16:03:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/08/06-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:03:19 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
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16:03:28 <doerthe> present+
16:03:30 <Souri> present+
16:03:35 <olaf> ora: Minutes!
16:04:03 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last two weeks' minutes
16:04:04 <pfps> minutes look OK
16:04:08 <pfps> +1
16:04:12 <ktk> +1
16:04:13 <AndyS> +1
16:04:14 <ora> +0.5 (regrets for one call)
16:04:14 <Souri> +1
16:04:20 <doerthe> +0.5
16:04:20 <rubensworks> +0
16:04:22 <olaf> +1
16:04:28 <tl> +1
16:04:28 <niklasl> +0.5 (regrets for one)
16:04:38 <TallTed> +1
16:04:40 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve last two weeks' minutes
16:04:43 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:04:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:04:52 <ktk> regrets+ pchampin
16:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/13-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:05:07 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:05:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/13-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:05:13 <ktk> Zakim, close item 2
16:05:13 <Zakim> agendum 2, Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3, closed
16:05:14 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:05:14 <Zakim> 3. Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 [from agendabot]
16:05:17 <olaf> ora: Haven't acted on my issues.
16:05:20 <ktk> Zakim, open item 3
16:05:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:05:51 <olaf> ora: Anything to work on today?
16:05:58 <ora> q?
16:06:58 <AndyS> q+
16:07:08 <olaf> ktk: Should we merge the unexpected errors?
16:07:22 <olaf> ... They are from James, who is not here.
16:07:30 <olaf> ora: defer to next week
16:07:30 <ora> ack AndyS
16:07:40 <AndyS> q-
16:07:43 <olaf> AndyS: Is this text to go into every document?
16:07:55 <olaf> ktk: Yes, that was the idea.
16:08:28 <olaf> s/unexpected errors/undefined errors
16:08:51 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:51 <rubensworks> q+
16:09:01 <olaf> ora: Let's go to the issues next. We have a lot to go through.
16:09:03 <ora> ack rubensworks
16:09:11 <rubensworks> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/366
16:09:12 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/366 -> PR 366 Add collection point for RDF 1.2 implementation reports (by rubensworks)
16:09:31 <olaf> rubenswork: I created a PR about a place to collect the implementation reports.
16:09:48 <olaf> ... currently it covers only RDF. We may do the same for SPARQL.
16:10:06 <olaf> ... This is based on the EARL importer from gkellogg
16:10:33 <olaf> ... I didn't change anything (it's written in Ruby). But it seems to work.
16:10:38 <olaf> ora: What do you need?
16:10:47 <AndyS> q+
16:11:01 <olaf> rubenswork: Maybe people can look at it.
16:11:10 <olaf> ktk: Any idea why the job is failing?
16:11:16 <olaf> rubenswork: I don't know.
16:11:32 <olaf> s/rubenswork:/rubensworks:
16:11:42 <olaf> ora: Great. Thank you!
16:11:50 <ora> ack AndyS
16:11:58 <olaf> AndyS: Where did the reports actually go?
16:12:16 <olaf> rubensworks: Same way as JSON-LD does it ..
16:12:31 <olaf> ... there is a reports directory
16:12:43 <olaf> ... I added one file as an example
16:12:51 <olaf> AndyS: Okay, I will have a look.
16:13:40 <olaf> ora: ktk and I spend some time going through much of the stuff (excluding SPARQL and RDF/XML)
16:13:50 <olaf> ... and proposed a lot of issues for closing.
16:13:58 <AndyS> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/11
16:13:59 <olaf> ... Can we look at them now?
16:14:52 <olaf> ktk: In general, we were a bit "aggressive" - pessimistic
16:15:20 <olaf> ... close most of the issues unless there is a clear reason not to
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16:16:13 <ktk>   https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/issues/18
16:16:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/issues/18 -> Issue 18 multiple `p` elements (by domel) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
16:16:27 <olaf> ... if anyone has strong feelings, please queue
16:16:39 <olaf> ... Of course, they can be reopened.
16:16:53 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/127
16:16:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/127 -> Issue 127 Check punctuation of all bulleted lists (by TallTed) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
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16:17:04 <ora> q?
16:17:04 <olaf> ... No objections to 18 - closed
16:17:31 <olaf> ... Objection to closing 127?
16:18:19 <olaf> TallTed: PR needed to close this issue (127)
16:18:23 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/270
16:18:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/270 -> Issue 270 why is `^^i18n:` a good idea? (by VladimirAlexiev) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
16:18:30 <olaf> ktk: Do you have the energy to create a PR?
16:18:35 <olaf> TallTed: will try
16:19:01 <olaf> ktk: Issue 270 was from Graphwise
16:19:13 <olaf> ... no objections to closing it -- closed.
16:19:18 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/281
16:19:19 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/281 -> Issue 281 where is a discussion of risks inherent in representing triple terms (by lisp) [propose closing]
16:19:52 <olaf> ... Issue 281 from James
16:20:06 <olaf> ... Let's discuss it next week when James is around again.
16:20:45 <olaf> ... The "implement TAG .." issues will be discussed next week when pchampin is back
16:20:50 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/issues/104
16:20:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/issues/104 -> Issue 104 Make the version declaration an RDF statement (by filip26) [propose closing]
16:21:38 <AndyS> q+
16:21:41 <olaf> Issue 104 was proposed to close by Domenik
16:22:29 <AndyS> q-
16:22:37 <olaf> ora: Let's close it.
16:22:56 <olaf> AndyS: The point was that it breaks parsers.
16:23:01 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/109
16:23:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/109 -> Issue 109 Erratum: indicate that N-Triples is a syntactic subset of N-Quads (by pchampin) [ms:CR] [propose closing]
16:23:22 <olaf> ktk: Issue 109 was indirectly by David Booth
16:23:31 <olaf> ... Domenik proposed closing
16:23:39 <olaf> ... closed!
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16:23:58 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/74
16:23:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/74 -> Issue 74 Decide on "period" vs "full stop" (by gkellogg) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
16:24:41 <olaf> ... Issue 74 seems something we can close.
16:25:02 <olaf> TallTed: It should be the same name in all documents.
16:25:52 <olaf> ktk: "full stop" is used only in a table in N-Triples
16:25:54 <AndyS> https://www.compart.com/en/unicode/U+002E
16:26:05 <olaf> TallTed: We should be consistent.
16:26:25 <olaf> ktk: I will take a look across all documents.
16:26:25 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/29
16:26:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/29 -> Issue 29 RDF Collections? (by riannella) [Editorial] [propose closing]
16:26:29 <niklasl> q+
16:26:57 <olaf> ktk: Issue 29 - don't think this will happen unless someone creates PR
16:26:59 <ora> ack niklasl
16:27:29 <olaf> niklasl: I don't mind having this on my TODO list. Assign it to me. If I fail, we can close it.
16:27:37 <olaf> ktk: OK
16:27:48 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/21
16:27:49 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/21 -> Issue 21 Ensure the triple annotation example is useful (by niklasl) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
16:28:14 <olaf> ktk: Issue 21, niklasl already agreed to close it
16:28:17 <olaf> ... Closed!
16:28:26 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/22
16:28:27 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/22 -> Issue 22 Black Backgrounds (by riannella) [propose closing] [spec:editorial]
16:28:30 <niklasl> q+
16:28:41 <olaf> ... Issue 22, we saw a bunch of PR related to this issue
16:28:50 <olaf> ... Any others planed?
16:29:05 <olaf> niklasl: I have plans. Keep the issue open.
16:29:08 <ora> ack niklasl
16:29:27 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/26
16:29:27 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-primer/issues/26 -> Issue 26 Add list of (all known) RDF serialization formats (by hartig) [propose closing] [spec:enhancement]
16:29:36 <lisp> present+
16:29:50 <olaf> ktk: Issue 26 -- ora and I don't see the point
16:30:04 <olaf> ... quite random list
16:30:42 <olaf> ... We think we shouldn't maintain such a list.
16:30:44 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-concepts/#rdf-documents
16:31:04 <olaf> AndyS: There is a mention of a list in RDF Concepts
16:31:23 <olaf> ... It is a sample, and was discussed at length.
16:32:03 <olaf> ktk: We agree to close issue 26
16:32:24 <olaf> AndyS: Yes, too difficult to list /decide about all the corner cases
16:32:29 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/144
16:32:29 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/144 -> Issue 144 [Editorial] capitalization of "SPARQL string", "SPARQL Query string", and "SPARQL Update string" (by TallTed) [documentation] [propose closing]
16:32:29 <olaf> ktk: Closed.
16:33:01 <olaf> ... Issue 144 - question is whether we do a grep to catch them?
16:33:17 <olaf> ora: TallTed, it's yours. What do you think?
16:33:55 <olaf> ktk: It is not easy to 'grep' them
16:34:20 <olaf> TallTed: Truly editorial; can be pushed. I would not close it though.
16:34:25 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/146
16:34:26 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/146 -> Issue 146 [Editorial] Need to improve presentation of, e.g., `"&quot;" (1 double quote)` (by TallTed) [documentation] [propose closing]
16:34:54 <olaf> ktk: Issue 146 is similar
16:35:17 <olaf> TallTed: Also this, I think is purely editorial.
16:35:32 <olaf> ... Definitely confusing where ever this comes up.
16:35:39 <olaf> ktk: Keep it open?
16:36:10 <olaf> TallTed: Yes
16:36:21 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/187
16:36:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/187 -> Issue 187 Confirm organisation of implementation reports (by afs) [needs discussion] [propose closing] [ms:CR]
16:36:55 <olaf> ktk: Issue 187 ? Ah, rubensworks created a PR for it
16:37:06 <olaf> rubensworks: We can close the issue and continue in the PR
16:37:14 <olaf> ktk: Closed!
16:38:27 <olaf> TallTed: Wait! Closing issues before their PR is problematic.
16:39:01 <olaf> ktk: Fine to reopen it until the PR is merged.
16:39:22 <olaf> TallTed: There is a "PR exists" label
16:39:33 <olaf> ... which helps tracking these cases.
16:40:02 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/194
16:40:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/194 -> Issue 194 Remove Macintosh file type code in documents defining document formats (by kasei) [propose closing] [tracking]
16:40:34 <olaf> ktk: Issue 194 - AndyS added a comment; let's leave it open
16:40:57 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/154
16:40:57 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/154 -> Issue 154 Description of implicit bnodes in reifying triples is imprecise and duplicated (by rubensworks) [Editorial] [propose closing]
16:41:12 <olaf> ... Issue 154 - Is this still relevant? The PR was merged.
16:41:23 <olaf> rubensworks: can be closed
16:41:29 <olaf> ktk: Closed!
16:41:33 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/155
16:41:33 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/155 -> Issue 155 Last sentence in Reifying Triples seems unnecessary (by rubensworks) [Editorial] [propose closing]
16:42:04 <olaf> ... Issue 155 - PR is not merged yet - remove "proposed closing" label
16:42:45 <olaf> ... We are through the list!
16:43:00 <AndyS> q+
16:43:46 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:43:46 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ktk
16:43:52 <ora> ack AndyS
16:43:56 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:43:56 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:44:26 <olaf> AndyS: Regarding the mime type registration, I see that many of the entries are random
16:44:36 <olaf> ... There needs to be person details.
16:45:06 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-query/#mediaType
16:45:07 <olaf> ... Maybe we wait for pchampin
16:45:18 <AndyS> See "Person & email address to contact for further information:"
16:45:30 <olaf> ... In this section, there is an item "Person..."
16:46:23 <olaf> TallTed: From other groups, it is still necessary. Using the group as a contact is perfectly valid.
16:46:31 <olaf> AndyS: Example?
16:46:44 <olaf> TallTed: Have to find one.
16:47:15 <olaf> ora: Anyone else has other business?
16:47:25 <olaf> ... We got a lot of stuff done. Good!
16:47:50 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:47:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/13-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
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16:49:45 <ktk> s/spend some time/spent some time/
16:49:45 <ktk> s/Any others planed?/Any others planned?/
16:49:46 <ktk> s/where ever/wherever/
16:49:50 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:49:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/13-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
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18:44:18 <ktk> Zakim, leave
18:44:18 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been AndyS, ktk, olaf, pfps, tl, rubensworks, niklasl, TallTed, ora, doerthe, Souri, lisp
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18:44:20 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
18:44:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items