12:59:29 RRSAgent has joined #matf 12:59:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/08/12-matf-irc 12:59:33 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:59:34 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ 12:59:37 Zakim, this is MATF 12 August 2026 12:59:37 got it, JJ 12:59:44 Meeting: MATF 12 August 2026 12:59:50 chair+ 13:00:19 agenda+ Definitions drafts - Diagram 13:01:04 agenda+ Definitions drafts - Application software 13:01:13 agenda+ Success Criterion 2.5.7 Dragging Movements 13:01:18 agenda+ Success Criterion 2.5.8 Target Size (Minimum) 13:01:48 regrets+ shoobe 13:01:53 regrets+ quintinb 13:06:29 Joe_Humbert has joined #matf 13:06:56 pauljadam has joined #matf 13:07:15 present+ 13:07:53 Second Draft progress: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues?q=is%3Aissue%20state%3Aopen%20milestone%3A%22Second%20Draft%22 13:09:40 Changes between First draft and Second draft: https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2025%2FDNOTE-wcag2mobile-22-20250506%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fmatf%2F 13:09:57 move to next agendum 13:09:57 agendum 1 -- Definitions drafts - Diagram -- taken up [from JJ] 13:10:16 https://deploy-preview-293--wcag2mobile.netlify.app/#figure1 13:10:35 Part of this Pull Request: https://github.com/w3c/matf/pull/293 13:11:02 Old version: https://github.com/w3c/matf/blob/3030d32a7ce5660e43cf9e1b6915ace89589cd0e/layers.svg 13:11:33 New diagram: https://github.com/w3c/matf/blob/a48d07d819bc7dd17554cef1748bc3731b0c08fd/assets/layers.svg 13:13:59 Software or User Agent: renamed to Software 13:14:04 "underlaying layer" renamed to Hardware 13:14:17 Native program / Cross-platform program renamed "program" to "app" 13:14:45 Title updated to reflect content, it's now "Layers and responsibilities in mobile applications" 13:15:06 Prefixed the layers with numbers, e.g. "1. User" instead of "User" 13:15:35 Added dotted square around native app / cross-platform app, together named "Application Software" 13:16:07 present+ 13:16:14 Looks good to me 13:18:10 Diagram label section, could be made bigger by moving them to the left edge - gives extra space on the right 13:18:55 In the detailed description, use uppercase for each word 13:19:14 move to next agendum 13:19:14 agendum 2 -- Definitions drafts - Application software -- taken up [from JJ] 13:23:31 https://deploy-preview-293--wcag2mobile.netlify.app/#application-software 13:23:36 Now contains a table 13:24:30 Application software - do we need to define what platform widgets mean 13:24:53 React Native can render native platform widgets; but what about custom components (or native apps with custom components) 13:26:25 Potentially second column can be removed to just provide examples of the types of apps and the frameworks that correspond 13:26:34 Semantics tree might also need definition 13:28:15 First sentence is OK 13:28:35 Second sentence: introduce the different ways that application software is built, point to table 1 with examples 13:29:22 move to next agendum 13:29:22 agendum 3 -- Success Criterion 2.5.7 Dragging Movements -- taken up [from JJ] 13:29:34 github.com/w3c/matf/pull/295 13:30:22 The concerns about "underlying layer terminology" should now be resolved because the diagram no longer uses it, so underlaying now refers to one layer below and not some other definition 13:31:00 move to next agendum 13:31:00 agendum 4 -- Success Criterion 2.5.8 Target Size (Minimum) -- taken up [from JJ] 13:31:14 https://github.com/w3c/matf/pull/291#discussion_r3683331365 13:31:44 We need to decide which language to use in the note that links to the research, plus how to introduce our suggested target sizing 13:31:54 ^ relates to note 3 13:33:35 Normative text content update: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/271 13:36:49 https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/296 13:40:05 Zakim, list participants 13:40:05 As of this point the attendees have been pauljadam, Joe_Humbert 13:40:09 rrsagent, make minutes 13:40:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/12-matf-minutes.html JJ 13:40:32 rrsagent, bye 13:40:32 I see no action items