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14:41:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
14:41:40 <ivan> Meeting: Verifiable Credentials Working Group Telco
14:41:40 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b1a3e329-74d1-405d-ab47-2934b41c2ab4/20260805T110000/
14:41:40 <ivan> chair: brentz
14:41:40 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2026-08-05: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/b1a3e329-74d1-405d-ab47-2934b41c2ab4/20260805T110000/
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15:06:28 <Elaine> @brentz covers admin and agenda
15:06:42 <manu> q+
15:06:48 <brent> ack manu
15:06:51 <dmitriz> q+
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15:07:19 <brent> Tracker Doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1OM-UsLnOZKywcy1eSGZsi_laCHBIy5wmQFOer0a7kYI/edit?pli=1&gid=67467047#gid=67467047
15:07:21 <kezike> present+
15:07:36 <Elaine> manu reviews need to proceed with horizontal review - we are behind schedule
15:08:27 <ivan> s/manu/manu:/
15:08:54 <brent> ack dmitriz
15:09:07 <manu> s/manu reviews/manu: reviews/
15:09:41 <denkeni> present+
15:10:01 <Elaine> dmitriz asked to review PR1629
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15:10:16 <brent> Topic: Task Force Updates
15:10:23 <wes-smith> q+
15:10:32 <michaelshea> michaelshea+
15:10:35 <Elaine> got it
15:10:36 <michaelshea> q+
15:10:40 <brent> ack wes-smith
15:10:51 <hsano8> s/dmitriz asked/dmitriz: asked/
15:10:54 <denkeni> q+
15:11:12 <kezike> q+ to provide update for VCALM TF
15:11:21 <ivan> present+ jennie
15:11:50 <Elaine> wes-smith: progress on barcode spec, threat models is good
15:11:50 <manu> q+
15:11:55 <brent> ack michaelshea
15:12:08 <dmitriz> q+
15:12:25 <brent> ack denkeni
15:12:25 <denkeni> https://github.com/w3c/vc-confidence-method/issues/30
15:12:54 <denkeni> https://w3c.github.io/vc-confidence-method/#assurance-levels
15:13:08 <ivan> q+
15:13:17 <ivan> q-
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15:13:17 <Elaine> denkeni: issue whether to quote ISO or other policies
15:13:23 <TallTed> s/got it//
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15:14:13 <ivan> qq
15:14:15 <pdl-asu> present+
15:14:24 <Elaine> brent: guidance from council is to avoid it unless necessary - just because there's a cost doesn't mean others can't obtain it
15:15:00 <olvisgil> q+
15:15:09 <Elaine> ivan: is there a public text? answer is yes
15:15:19 <brent> ack kezike
15:15:19 <Zakim> kezike, you wanted to provide update for VCALM TF
15:16:31 <Elaine> kezike: VCALM - threat model merged / new test suite repo just merged in yesterday - over last month, worked to classify issues - will proceed with focusing on issues that are blockers for candidate rec
15:16:39 <brent> ack manu
15:16:43 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/1638
15:18:17 <phila> I found the W3C Council Report on the Formal Objection to the use of Normative References to ISO/IEC 18013-7 Annex C in the Digital Credentials API specification which is at https://www.w3.org/2026/06/council-digital-credentials-report.html
15:18:25 <Elaine> manu: re vc data model - there's now a threat model - please review.  Will speak to status list and some post quantum stuff.  There's also a data integrity threat model that is hoped will work for other related specs.  Large number of threats will layer on top of that base. The threat models have broken the preview mode.  working with Ivan to fix
15:18:26 <Elaine> it.
15:18:31 <brent> ack dmitriz
15:20:05 <brent> FO Council Report related to referencing ISO specs: https://www.w3.org/2026/06/council-digital-credentials-report.html
15:20:10 <phila> q+
15:20:12 <Elaine> dmitriz: render method - have compressed road map to get to horizontal review - consensus on 3 categories - asks group for feedback about meeting frequency which is currently every other week - proposes each week  to get to review
15:20:13 <manu> Yes, let's please meet every week for Render Method -- we need more time on spec to get it to horizontal review.
15:20:20 <brent> ack olvisgil
15:21:25 <Elaine> @zakim: regarding deliverables tracker - suggests new item - verifiable credential for payment rails
15:21:44 <brent> ack phila
15:21:57 <Elaine> wrong person - olvisgil
15:21:58 <ivan> s/@zakim/olvisgil/
15:22:35 <ivan> q+
15:22:52 <brent> ack ivan
15:23:07 <Elaine> group agrees every week is available for render method - dmitriz can update calendar
15:23:17 <manu> We really need to move the render method forward faster, would prefer not to delay until after August.
15:23:22 <dlongley> +1
15:23:24 <manu> q+
15:23:32 <manu> q-
15:23:58 <Elaine> @ivan: perhaps wait until September to change render method meeting frequency / group agrees weekly is needed sooner
15:24:06 <brent> Topic: Placing the new terms in vocabularies and context files
15:24:19 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/vc-wg/pull/15
15:24:34 <Elaine> brent: next topic new terms in vocabulary
15:24:39 <ivan> https://github.com/w3c/vc-wg/blob/main/vocabs/newvocabularies.md
15:25:35 <manu> q+
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15:27:34 <Elaine> ivan: number of TFs need update of context file - render method (already exists as a class), also confidence method Bitstring is here because there may be a new version due to barcode TF work.  Current situation is that bitstring status list has its own vocabulary.
15:28:26 <manu> Agree with Ivan's proposal for render, confidence, bitstring... possibly disagree with forgery defense (should probably go in status), recognized entities (should probably go in VCDM), don't have a strong opinion about barcodes, but Wes might.
15:28:42 <Elaine> ivan: for forgery defence - follow the same model
15:28:46 <dlongley> forgery defense could also potentially go into the security vocab
15:28:53 <manu> agree ^
15:30:28 <dlongley> we've previously offered individual contexts and a "batteries computed" context, i think we should probably keep doing that
15:30:41 <Elaine> @ivan:  for recognized entities - should have separate context file not just build on VC / same with barcodes
15:30:46 <dlongley> s/batteries computed/batteries included
15:31:24 <Elaine> ivan: other option is to fold into the rest of the VCDM - need to discuss and make a decision
15:32:20 <Elaine> @ivan: once decision is made, then can set up framing and then repository
15:32:49 <dlongley> q+
15:32:51 <Elaine> brent: reviews manu's IRC comments regarding Ivan's proposal
15:33:02 <brent> ack manu
15:33:08 <brent>  ack dlongley
15:34:14 <Elaine> dlongley: previously had individual contexts  - useful for those who need them / not related to vocabularies - need to continue that conversation
15:34:48 <phila> q+
15:35:00 <Elaine> brent: I will trust the experts on this
15:35:06 <brent> ack phila
15:35:10 <dlongley> q+
15:35:14 <ivan> q+
15:35:36 <Elaine> phila: checking in re longley - can have the individual contexts PLUS an overarching one?
15:36:01 <ivan> ack dlongley
15:36:25 <Elaine> dlongley: yes
15:36:25 <brent> ack ivan
15:36:47 <dlongley> q+
15:37:36 <brent> ack dlongley
15:37:36 <Elaine> @ivan: I am not sure about this because of messaging -
15:38:42 <Elaine> dlongley: agree with ivan on this piece - if creating specific credentials of different types - that's a new context / using components of existing spec is not
15:39:49 <Elaine> group - discussions will continue
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15:40:39 <Elaine> topic deprecate digest sri - but parties are absent
15:40:50 <brent> Topic: DigestSIR
15:40:51 <ivan> s/topic/topic:/
15:41:07 <ivan> s/SIR/SRI/
15:43:13 <brent> ack dlongley
15:43:16 <Elaine> dlongley: believe we cannot use a copy of something that's in another spec without processing rules applying
15:45:46 <Elaine> dmitriz: goal for the PR was "now what?" - have reasoning for deprecating digest SRI / manu and shigeya prior conversation - no consensus and Shigeya's concerns are not addressed.
15:45:59 <ivan> q+
15:46:12 <Elaine> brent: if not resolved by TPAC  - seek consensus there / doesn't feel urgent
15:46:27 <brent> ack ivan
15:46:44 <dlongley> hopefully a "this is deprecated and language that says other specs shouldn't use it, but it won't be removed, it will still be in the next context, etc." is a good compromise
15:47:41 <dlongley> q+
15:47:51 <brent> ack dlongley
15:47:55 <Elaine> ivan: brent is now the master of the process - which doesn't have the term "deprecate" as such. This is more like we have it - if you use it, has to be this way - but don't use it. The process is unclear.
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15:48:45 <Elaine> dlongley: idea is to keep it in the next version of the context - keep it around but with clearer guidance
15:48:51 <michaelshea> q+
15:48:55 <ivan> re deprecation: https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-34/#sec-obs-deprecated
15:49:12 <Elaine> This is issue 1628
15:49:16 <brent> ack michaelshea
15:49:39 <brent> Topic: TPAC
15:50:36 <Elaine> brent: please register for TPAC / WG meetings thursday and Friday with Friday shorter / Will be a Tuesday joint session with payments and DC API - all invited
15:50:41 <brent> https://www.w3.org/news-events/tpac/2026/registration/
15:51:56 <Elaine> brent: planning to talk about CR and about CR  / if there are other topics, let Brent know
15:52:04 <denkeni> q+ Request to amend short URL for confidence method
15:52:05 <brent> Topic: Request to amend short URL for confidence method
15:53:05 <denkeni> https://www.w3.org/2026/03/vc-wg-charter.html#confidence
15:53:05 <brent> ack denkeni
15:54:33 <dlongley> q+
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15:54:44 <brent> ack dlongley
15:54:46 <ivan> ack Request
15:54:46 <Zakim> Request, you wanted to amend short URL for confidence method
15:54:50 <Elaine> sorry - lost power
15:55:04 <Elaine> i am back
15:55:51 <phila> q+ to chip in if time allows
15:56:07 <brent> ack ivan
15:56:07 <Elaine> dlongley: maybe expand confidence method to include assurance levels - then does the name need to change / need to discuss in task force but there was no meeting last week
15:56:18 <denkeni> +1 to have more discussion in the task force
15:57:48 <Elaine> ivan: WG must have formal resolution to change short name / then need review as if it is an actual new working draft.  Used to be a bigger pain.  But now still needs to be done manually - requires actions by Ivan and the working group and editors.  Extra work.
15:58:06 <Elaine> ivan: the title can be changed - it's the short name that's an issue
15:58:37 <brent> ack phila
15:58:37 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to chip in if time allows
15:58:47 <Elaine> brent: new VC overview doc - please review / confidence method TF - come back with decision
15:58:48 <michaelshea> q+
15:58:53 <dlongley> +1 to phil, i feel similarly.
15:59:05 <brent> ack michaelshea
15:59:06 <Elaine> phila: confidence is too broad
15:59:07 <ivan> -> new version of overview https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-overview-1.1/
15:59:44 <Elaine> michaelshea: mike jones is listed as an owner for the CID repo  / if not involved anymore, what needs to happen
15:59:54 <Elaine> brent: I will change it
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16:00:27 <Olvisgil> Thank you so much!
16:00:28 <Elaine> brent: good work
16:00:29 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/05-vcwg-minutes.html ivan
16:00:36 <Elaine> Thanks all!
16:00:43 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:00:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items