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12:30:46 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:30:46 <janina> Chair: Janina
12:30:52 <janina> Date 05 Aug 2026
12:32:53 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:32:53 <janina> agenda+ [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/)
12:32:53 <janina> agenda+ New charters review
12:32:53 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
12:32:53 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:32:56 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
12:32:58 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
12:33:01 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin
12:33:03 <janina> agenda+ Other business
12:33:06 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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13:55:44 <JonCohn> open the zoom link
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14:05:10 <matatk> agenda?
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14:06:08 <matatk> present+
14:06:14 <Vanessa> present+
14:06:25 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/05-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:06:56 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:06:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:08:39 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:08:39 <Zakim> Present: JonCohn, gpellegrino, janina, PaulG, matatk, Roy_Ruoxi, Vanessa
14:08:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see Vanessa, matatk, gpellegrino, PaulG, RRSAgent, Zakim, lea, kizu, janina, Roy_Ruoxi, gb, alastairc, astearns, Rachael, chrishtr, slightlyoff, jyasskin, vmpstr, alice,
14:08:41 <Zakim> ... nicolo-ribaudo
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14:09:06 <Neha> present+
14:14:26 <PaulG> scribe+
14:14:39 <PaulG> zakiom, next item
14:14:44 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:14:44 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) -- taken up [from janina]
14:14:59 <matatk> q+
14:16:20 <PaulG> re: accessibility and privacy, some features which were proposed and could have benefit were not taken up because the fear of privacy risks
14:16:40 <PaulG> matatk: are there any features that are vital enough to accept the privacy risks?
14:17:24 <PaulG> ... we want to hear about those features so we can organize their architectures into any themes that might be present to help build them in a way that better respects privacy concerns
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14:17:42 <PaulG> ... I will make the breakout proposals
14:18:10 <PaulG> ... there are 9 proposed and we expect an influx of accessibility-related ones
14:18:43 <PaulG> ...last week we talked about accessibility and society mini-workshop and I need to figure out the process for suggesting a lightning talk to them
14:19:26 <PaulG> janina: we'll get our proposals in early but details will continue to flow until late
14:19:33 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:19:33 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, PaulG
14:19:37 <matatk> ack me
14:19:38 <janina> q?
14:19:40 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:19:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New charters review -- taken up [from janina]
14:20:02 <PaulG> matatk: web apps security charter
14:20:13 <matatk> subtopic: Web App Sec WG
14:20:15 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/551
14:21:16 <Roy_Ruoxi> review history -> https://www.w3.org/2026/07/15-apa-minutes.html#a019
14:22:42 <PaulG> matatk: we haven't reviewed this group's work very often. However, there's a tie-in to TAG work and well-known URLs, this group has 2: password and passkey
14:24:05 <PaulG> ...there was a lot of discussion in the last TPAC about migrating between devices, credentials, and use cases about the tech and security of that. And we have guidance about the accessibility of the authentication portion of those cases.
14:24:50 <janina> q?
14:25:53 <PaulG> janina: I think we're signing off without objection
14:26:01 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:26:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:26:26 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: CSS Linked Parameters Module Level 1
14:26:36 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-longitudinal-tracking/issues/54
14:26:44 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-link-params-1/
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14:27:35 <matatk> PaulG: It's a cool spec that will allow parameters from CSS to be injected and flow into SVGs. It can even penetrate an <img> tag that is hosting an SVG.
14:27:54 <matatk> PaulG: So you can do stuff like alter colours, sizes, etc. If you work on design systems you'll love this.
14:27:56 <matatk> scribe+
14:27:58 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:27:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/05-apa-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi
14:28:49 <matatk> PaulG: My take is this is going to extend capabilities we already have. You wont' need to have as many assets; you'll have one that CSS can modify.
14:28:58 <matatk> q+
14:29:39 <janina> ack ma
14:29:53 <matatk> PaulG: The only thing I'd be looking out for is if they want use cases - that could inspire devs to pick it up and use it. Maybe symbols as you say janina, and or high contrast and symbols. Worth making a demo.
14:31:22 <matatk> ack me
14:31:31 <PaulG> matatk: +1 to what PaulG said, adding use cases is a specialty of ours. I believe TAG is reviewing this. This is clearly something that may not specifically add end-user stuff but it makes building so much easier that it could help accomodate more use cases.
14:31:34 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:31:34 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:32:03 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: EPUB Accessibility 1.2 Explainer
14:32:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-explain-12/
14:32:22 <matatk> q+
14:32:34 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-12/
14:32:46 <gpellegrino> q+
14:32:51 <janina> q?
14:32:51 <matatk> ack me
14:32:57 <janina> ack ma
14:33:25 <PaulG> matatk: I'm reminded that we have the proposal for ..
14:33:30 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/311
14:34:13 <PaulG> ... we did just review some epub items and there were a couple of key issues being addressed--fixed layout
14:34:17 <matatk> ack gpellegrino
14:34:24 <janina> ack gr
14:35:19 <gpellegrino> https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-12/#change-log
14:35:23 <PaulG> gpellegrino: epub a11y 1.2 is CR defines what it means to have accessible epubs. Essentially, following wcag and have page numbers and time text media
14:35:31 <matatk> q+ to add other specs in to this topic before we move on (feel free to jump ahead in the queue if you want to talk about this topic)
14:36:37 <PaulG> ... the explainer was requested by the community to help people understand wcag's relationship to epub. For example, authentication isn't something I've never seen.
14:36:56 <PaulG> ... others like multiple ways may be tricky to implement
14:37:10 <janina> q?
14:37:52 <janina> ack ma
14:37:52 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to add other specs in to this topic before we move on (feel free to jump ahead in the queue if you want to talk about this topic)
14:39:09 <matatk> - 2026-07-14: [Digital Credentials](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/325)
14:39:09 <matatk> - 2026-07-29: [Attribution Level 1](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/334)
14:39:09 <matatk> - 2026-07-31: [CSS Image Animation Module Level 1](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/333)- 2026-07-14: [Digital Credentials](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/325)
14:39:09 <matatk> - 2026-07-29: [Attribution Level 1](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/334)
14:39:11 <matatk> - 2026-07-31: [CSS Image Animation Module Level 1](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/333)
14:40:46 <PaulG> zakim, next item
14:40:46 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:41:19 <PaulG> matatk: there need to be 2 MCP comments that we get into shape
14:41:41 <PaulG> ... one of the questions is about the axtree use by MCP and we aligned with others saying "no"
14:42:19 <PaulG> ... we still need to post the comment but the other question was relating to the accessibility considerations which is a section to be drafted as a general "what do we think" comment.
14:42:56 <matatk> subtopic: WebMCP: accTree topic
14:42:57 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/317
14:43:51 <matatk> draft comment: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/317#issuecomment-4914862049
14:44:00 <PaulG> matatk: I think PaulG comments need to be raised in the general comment. This issue will reflect the initial concern about axtree redundancy.
14:44:47 <PaulG> q+
14:46:53 <PaulG> ack me
14:47:39 <PaulG> matatk: we're worried about abuse of the axtree. Authors stuffing keywords meant for agents.
14:48:32 <PaulG> ... making MCP additive fits well. I can add that. But I don't want authors to fiddle with aria just to signal agents.
14:49:32 <PaulG> janina: semantics are useful and if some values need to be stuffed, just make your own tree. Don't get in the way of the accessibility by trying to overfit the existing structure for a different purpose.
14:49:45 <PaulG> matatk: I'll make those edits in the next couple of days.
14:49:59 <janina> q?
14:50:48 <matatk> subtopic: WebMCP overall proposed APA comment
14:50:49 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/318#issuecomment-5192566424
14:51:54 <PaulG> matatk: largely it says we're excited for the possibilities of this technology. However, we're concerned about the API in its current form.
14:53:54 <PaulG> ... the declarative version of the API looks like a better starting point and we'd like to see that experimentation. We don't want it to cause interference with the axtree. We'd like to see the form submission behavior to allow review by the user.
14:54:35 <PaulG> ... please review that comment and put your feedback on the thread.
14:56:44 <PaulG> https://heydonworks.com/article/poisoning-well/ we need to pay some attention to how this sentiment might influence experimentation
14:58:44 <PaulG> zakim, end meeting
14:58:44 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JonCohn, gpellegrino, janina, PaulG, matatk, Roy_Ruoxi, Vanessa, Neha
14:58:46 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/08/05-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:54 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, PaulG; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:01:27 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:01:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items