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13:55:42 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:55:46 <PhilDay> chair:  PhilDay
13:55:46 <PhilDay> meeting:  WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
13:55:54 <PhilDay> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html PhilDay
13:56:16 <PhilDay> scribe+ PhilDay
13:56:18 <PhilDay> rrsagent, make minutes
13:56:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html PhilDay
13:56:31 <PhilDay> zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
13:56:31 <Zakim> ok, PhilDay
13:56:40 <PhilDay> agenda+ Announcements
13:56:40 <PhilDay> agenda+ Review issues raised during review of first half of document
13:56:40 <PhilDay> agenda+ SC problematic for closed - review proposed change in structure in PR 973
13:56:40 <PhilDay> present+
13:56:41 <PhilDay> regrets: Laura Miller,
13:56:48 <PhilDay> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:01:30 <loicmn> present+
14:01:41 <PhilDay> zakim, take up item 1
14:01:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from PhilDay]
14:01:57 <GreggVan> PRESENT+
14:02:36 <Daniel> present+
14:02:45 <Daniel> scribe+
14:03:17 <Daniel> zakim, take up next
14:03:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review issues raised during review of first half of document -- taken up [from PhilDay]
14:03:21 <Daniel> zakim, take up item 1
14:03:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from PhilDay]
14:03:48 <Daniel> PhilDay: Next week's meeting will take place, but the 13th we've canceled.
14:03:54 <Daniel> zakim, close this item
14:03:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:03:55 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:03:55 <Zakim> 2. Review issues raised during review of first half of document [from PhilDay]
14:03:57 <Daniel> zakim, take up next
14:03:57 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review issues raised during review of first half of document -- taken up [from PhilDay]
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14:04:21 <bbailey> present+
14:04:25 <Daniel> PhilDay: We'vebeen reviewing the document during the last fewweeks, noissue raised
14:04:26 <Daniel> q+
14:04:33 <PhilDay> ack Daniel
14:05:07 <PhilDay> Daniel: Haven't reviewed thoroughly, but been working through other content. Have addressed some minor editorial issues & refs to old sections. These have all been fixed.
14:05:13 <bbailey> q+ to confirm that we are still waiting on links to individual Problematic for Closed SC?
14:05:20 <PhilDay> ... Also an SC name was incorrect.
14:05:22 <PhilDay> ack bbailey
14:05:22 <Zakim> bbailey, you wanted to confirm that we are still waiting on links to individual Problematic for Closed SC?
14:05:28 <Daniel> Daniel: I spotted a fewissues, including an SC name that was incorrect
14:05:42 <Daniel> bbailey: We were waiting on the change in structure for problematic for closed
14:05:46 <bbailey> Good catches Daniel!
14:05:50 <Daniel> PhilDay: That's already ready for review
14:05:54 <Daniel> zakim, close this item
14:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
14:05:56 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:05:56 <Zakim> 3. SC problematic for closed - review proposed change in structure in PR 973 [from PhilDay]
14:05:57 <Daniel> zakim, take up next
14:05:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- SC problematic for closed - review proposed change in structure in PR 973 -- taken up [from PhilDay]
14:06:07 <PhilDay> Link to PR: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/973
14:06:11 <Daniel> https://deploy-preview-973--wcag2ict.netlify.app/ -> Preview
14:06:37 <PhilDay> Note in SCs that have issues for closed functionality
14:06:37 <PhilDay> See also the [Comments on Closed Functionality](#comments-on-closed-functionality) for general guidance, and [Appendix A: Success criteria problematic for closed functionality](#problematic-for-closed-non-text-content) for commentary on the individual success criterion.
14:06:37 <PhilDay> And in SC problematic for closed functionality, Each SC is now a separate heading rather than being a list item:
14:06:37 <PhilDay> ### [1.1.1 Non-text Content](#non-text-content) {#problematic-for-closed-non-text-content}
14:06:39 <PhilDay> Depends upon text (or a text alternative) being in a programmatically
14:06:39 <PhilDay> determinable form.
14:06:39 <PhilDay> This is what it was before:
14:06:40 <PhilDay> <li><a href="#non-text-content">1.1.1 Non-text Content</a> — Depends upon text (or a text alternative) being in a programmatically determinable form.</li>
14:07:24 <PhilDay> LATEST NOTE from Daniel: For general guidance, see also the [comments on closed functionality](#comments-on-closed-functionality). For commentary on the individual success criterion, see [Success criteria problematic for closed functionality, non-text content](#problematic-for-closed-non-text-content).</div>
14:07:25 <Daniel> PhilDay: Before we had a note. We wanted to keep the general link to problematic for closed, and then add the specific link to the comments on the appendix
14:08:07 <Daniel> GreggVan: Is this going to be under each provision?
14:08:15 <Daniel> PhilDay: Yes, a note undder each SC
14:09:20 <Daniel> GreggVan: If we are pointing to where the thing is listed it should be only the name of the thing
14:09:49 <bbailey> Preview link:  https://deploy-preview-973--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#applying-sc-1-1-1-non-text-content-to-non-web-documents-and-non-web-software
14:09:53 <PhilDay> <li><a href="#non-text-content">1.1.1 Non-text Content</a> — Depends upon text (or a text alternative) being in a programmatically determinable form.</li>
14:10:09 <Daniel> [Phil shows changes to section structure]
14:10:09 <PhilDay> ### [1.1.1 Non-text Content](#non-text-content) {#problematic-for-closed-non-text-content}
14:10:09 <PhilDay> Depends upon text (or a text alternative) being in a programmatically
14:10:09 <PhilDay> determinable form.
14:10:37 <bbailey> q+ for preview link
14:10:42 <PhilDay> ack bbailey
14:10:42 <Zakim> bbailey, you wanted to discuss preview link
14:12:23 <PhilDay> Link to new SC problematic preview: https://deploy-preview-973--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#success-criteria-problematic-for-closed-functionality
14:13:00 <Daniel> bbailey: This is address your concerns
14:13:09 <Daniel> ... We could enhance it abit more, but it's good as-is
14:13:24 <Daniel> GreggVan: We have A and AA separate from AAA
14:13:29 <Daniel> PhilDay: As in the rest of the document
14:13:52 <Daniel> loicmn: Good for me, I think it's a good improvement
14:16:50 <PhilDay> DRAFT RESOLUTION: For SC problematic for closed, incorporate proposal in PR 973 into the editor’s draft, as is
14:16:54 <loicmn> +1
14:16:55 <PhilDay> +1
14:17:04 <bbailey> +1
14:17:21 <Daniel> +1
14:17:30 <GreggVan> +1  :)
14:17:41 <PhilDay> RESOLUTION: For SC problematic for closed, incorporate proposal in PR 973 into the editor’s draft, as is
14:18:45 <Daniel> PhilDay: Once Danielfinishes this and wemerge the PR, I'll send an email for you to review the problematic for closed
14:18:55 <Daniel> s/closed/closed section/
14:19:12 <Daniel> PhilDay: The document versus non-web document is another long-standing change that we have pending
14:19:22 <PhilDay> https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/949
14:19:38 <Daniel> GreggVan: I don't think we have any other use of the word "document" other than for "non-web document"
14:19:40 <bbailey> q+
14:19:56 <PhilDay> ack bbailey
14:19:56 <Daniel> PhilDay: Currently we have two definitions: one for document and another one for non-web document
14:20:20 <Daniel> bbailey: I think we have a couple where we have a long paragraph that start talking about non-web document, and then after that first occurrence we just say document
14:20:29 <Daniel> PhilDay: And I think that's fine
14:21:42 <Daniel> GreggVan: It might be useful to keep the definition of document and then say that in this note when we use document wereally mean non-web document
14:22:20 <Daniel> ... Or we could put a note under the definition of document instead
14:22:28 <PhilDay> action: PhilDay to add to issue 949 this proposal from Gregg
14:22:43 <Daniel> s/the definition of document/the definition of non-web document/
14:22:51 <PhilDay> Just have note under non-web document - stating "all uses of the word document in this note means non-web document".
14:23:09 <Daniel> bbailey: That seems better
14:23:25 <Daniel> GreggVan: This way you would have a glossary and the proper definition
14:23:31 <PhilDay> We should go with the 2nd option - just add a note to non-web document
14:24:33 <PhilDay> NOTE:
14:24:33 <PhilDay> All uses of the word "document" by itself within WCAG2ICT means non-web document.
14:25:03 <Daniel> PhilDay: I'll add itto issue 949
14:25:17 <bbailey> proposal:  in glossary, add above tote to term "Non-web document"
14:25:32 <bbailey> s/above tote/above note/
14:26:12 <bbailey> s/add itto issue/add into issue/
14:26:51 <bbailey> SR can use header navigation
14:27:06 <Daniel> GreggVan: The headings make it an extraordinary long document, makes it difficult for keyboard users
14:27:29 <Daniel> PhilDay: List had other issue, when we have long passages within a list itme it also made it difficult to navigate
14:27:46 <bbailey> q+ to ask about evergreen
14:27:48 <Daniel> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:27:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html Daniel
14:27:55 <PhilDay> ack bbailey
14:27:55 <Zakim> bbailey, you wanted to ask about evergreen
14:28:27 <Daniel> bbailey: We hope that this is the last version, right?
14:28:45 <Daniel> PhilDay: There are a couple of places in the text we we have "latest" and I've changed it to "current"
14:29:02 <Daniel> GreggVan: If there's a 2.3 we need to come back an d re-visit this
14:30:34 <PhilDay> GreggVan: suggest we change to "this version" rather than "latest version"
14:30:56 <PhilDay> action: PhilDay to check document and make editorial change (this version instead of latest version).
14:31:03 <bbailey> q+ to suggest changing "latest" to "2.2 with date"
14:31:32 <PhilDay> ack bbailey
14:31:32 <Zakim> bbailey, you wanted to suggest changing "latest" to "2.2 with date"
14:32:01 <Daniel> bbailey: I think isteadof current we should say WCAG 2.2. published [...]
14:32:14 <Daniel> GreggVan: But you also ahve to date the errata. WCAG 2.2 + errata s of whatever date
14:32:14 <bbailey> ...plus errata as of mm/dd/yyyy
14:32:18 <Daniel> PhilDay: I'll work through that
14:32:29 <Daniel> ... There's only one or two places in the document
14:34:29 <Daniel> Topic: NExt steps
14:36:31 <Daniel> PhilDay: We'll meet on the 6, we'll skp the 13, we'll meet on the 20 and we'll ask AGWG for being on the agenda for the 18 if possible
14:36:46 <Daniel> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:36:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html Daniel
14:37:19 <bbailey> s/NExt steps/Next steps/
14:37:20 <Daniel> zakim, end meeting
14:37:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been PhilDay, loicmn, GreggVan, Daniel, bbailey
14:37:23 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
14:37:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
14:37:30 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Daniel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:37:57 <PhilDay> rrsagent, bye
14:37:57 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-actions.rdf :
14:37:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PhilDay to add to issue 949 this proposal from Gregg [1]
14:37:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-irc#T14-22-28
14:37:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PhilDay to check document and make editorial change (this version instead of latest version). [2]
14:37:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-wcag2ict-irc#T14-30-56