15:52:48 RRSAgent has joined #rdf-star 15:52:52 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-irc 15:52:52 zakim, start meeting 15:52:52 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:52:53 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndyS 15:53:04 meeting: RDF and SPARQL Working Group 15:53:24 previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/07/16-rdf-star-minutes.html 15:53:24 next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/07/30-rdf-star-minutes.html 15:53:24 present+ 15:53:24 rrsagent, make logs public 15:53:42 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260723T120000/#agenda 15:53:42 AndyS, sorry, https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260723T120000/#agenda doesn't seem to exist. 15:54:09 agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20260723T120000/#agenda 15:54:09 clear agenda 15:54:09 agenda+ TAG's advice on error processing (vote) 15:54:09 agenda+ Review of open PRs, available at -> 1 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 15:54:09 agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting 15:54:35 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:54:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS 15:54:43 agenda? 15:55:49 present+ 15:57:08 regrets+ tl, olaf, fsasaki, AZ, rubensworks, ora 15:57:53 present+ 15:59:07 pfps has joined #rdf-star 15:59:35 Dominik_T has joined #rdf-star 16:00:21 present+ 16:00:24 present+ 16:01:27 lisp has joined #rdf-star 16:02:05 present+ 16:02:21 present+ 16:02:48 scribe+ 16:03:01 Chair: ktk 16:03:04 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:03:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS 16:03:13 Zakim, open item 1 16:03:13 agendum 1 -- TAG's advice on error processing (vote) -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:04:02 ktk: we had another round of discussion last week; I think we agreed that we don't want to formalize any further what parsers are doing 16:04:19 ... we came to the conclusion that it would require more time that we have 16:05:03 ... we could not confer with the chair earlier to send a proposal in advance 16:05:17 scribe+ 16:06:07 pchampin: I would like to make some progress. Ideally some actions, like have someone writing some text on what we agreed on, as plain text. 16:06:14 Souri has joined #rdf-star 16:06:18 present+ 16:06:32 ... We would not get further in a more formal way, because many applications have different use cases and the most useful way is to keep it undefined. 16:06:47 q? 16:06:56 ... Maybe not a very formal text but if someone could do a PR we can have a look at it next week. 16:08:05 ... What might help for the TAGs concern is to require that any further version (above 1.2) would require the presence of a version announcement. Currently we don't require it because we want to be nice on old parsers. But if we say that RDF 1.3 MUST announce it, it might reasure the TAG that current parsers will not be completely at loss with future data. Which is the summary of their concerns. 16:08:05 q+ 16:08:12 scribe- 16:08:35 ack AndyS 16:08:36 AndyS: I think it is a good idea, although MUST might be too strong 16:08:58 "THe WG expects that RDF 1.3 and above will require..." 16:09:23 ktk: any other opinion? any volunteer to propose a PR? 16:09:32 perhaps "modulo future events" 16:10:10 Dominik_T: I was not present in the last week, so I may not be in the best position to make a proposal 16:10:53 q? 16:11:01 lisp: my position is that we should just say "the result is undefined" 16:11:25 ... I can look at the document and send a note to its editors about where I think this should be added 16:12:22 q? 16:12:44 pchampin: feel free to make a PR; then the editors can decide to merge it or not 16:12:59 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:13:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T 16:13:07 ktk: great; we can discuss on this next week 16:13:07 Zakim, next item 16:13:07 agendum 2 -- Review of open PRs, available at -> 1 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:13:37 q? 16:13:40 ktk: as we didn't have time to review PRs last week, I propose we do it now 16:14:03 ... any specific PR someone wants to discuss? 16:14:38 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/150 16:14:39 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/150 -> PR 150 Version fix (by pchampin) 16:14:49 +1 for both 16:14:57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/152 16:14:58 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/152 -> PR 152 address erratum 14 (by pchampin) [ms:CR] 16:15:12 ktk: any reason we didn't merge these one? I see green ticks... 16:15:50 AndyS: there are outstanding comments on the latter, that needs to be incorporated 16:17:35 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/280 16:17:36 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/280 -> PR 280 refactor considerations on versions (by pchampin) [ms:REC] 16:17:43 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 16:17:44 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 -> PR 275 add note about sets of quads vs. dataset (by pchampin) 16:19:20 AndyS: we have a style in this WG that people who make comment to not come back after 16:21:15 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/325 16:21:16 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/325 -> PR 325 Align xml-canon to previous behavior (by afs) 16:21:18 pchampin: I'm sorry for having be unresponsive on these PR that I opened. I won't take offense if the editors decide to apply suggestions and/or merge them 16:22:37 May I suggest reviewing the oldest last-change first, in order, which we can quickly pass over if appropriate, but this keeps them from just lying fallow because we have more exciting, more recently touched at the top of the list (and if we add a comment "skipped this week", that will keep them from being the same "oldest" every time)? 16:22:53 AndyS: 325 is on tests with XML literals; if Tpt and gtw are ok, it can be merged 16:22:57 Tpt: I'm ok with it 16:23:22 gtw: I'm not up-to-speed on this, but go do it 16:23:48 https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/327 16:23:49 https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/327 -> PR 327 Clarify that unaggregated variables in SELECT raise an error (by Tpt) [spec:bug] 16:24:10 ktk: this one has been stale for a while; are we waiting for something? 16:24:45 AndyS: it's on me to revise it; it should remain a draft in the meantime 16:26:34 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18 16:26:34 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/18 -> PR 18 what properties can or should link to triple terms? (by rdfguy) 16:28:19 ktk: then we have a bunch of CSS PRs 16:28:31 Tpt: I did rebase them, now waiting for reviews from editors 16:28:41 q+ 16:29:15 ack AndyS 16:29:19 AndyS: I suggest to put them in and see what happens 16:30:21 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/106 16:30:21 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/pull/106 -> PR 106 Use ReSpec "data" table style and drop unused CSS (by Tpt) 16:31:02 AndyS: that one has conflicts, nothing too serious 16:31:22 Tpt: I can rebase and merge 16:31:24 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-interop/pull/15 16:31:24 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-interop/pull/15 -> PR 15 add version directive in TTL examples (by pchampin) 16:32:02 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/pull/20 16:32:02 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/pull/20 -> PR 20 apply @TallTed's suggestion (by pchampin) 16:33:01 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 16:33:02 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 -> PR 275 add note about sets of quads vs. dataset (by pchampin) 16:36:05 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/280 16:36:06 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/280 -> PR 280 refactor considerations on versions (by pchampin) [ms:REC] 16:36:30 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/148 16:36:30 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/148 -> PR 148 state that Turtle 1.2 is not ambiguous for 1.1 implems (by pchampin) [spec:editorial] 16:38:52 q? 16:39:50 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:39:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html Dominik_T 16:39:57 q? 16:39:58 Zakim, next item 16:39:58 agendum 3 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot] 16:41:32 q+ 16:41:38 AndyS: I would like us to discuss the naming of shacl12-rules next week 16:41:41 ack Tpt 16:41:51 I need approval on https://github.com/w3c/sparql-results-json/pull/47 and https://github.com/w3c/sparql-results-xml/pull/55 16:41:52 https://github.com/w3c/sparql-results-json/pull/47 -> PR 47 Adds dark mode and simplify CSS (by Tpt) [spec:editorial] 16:41:52 https://github.com/w3c/sparql-results-xml/pull/55 -> PR 55 Dark mode, CSS and presentation simplifications (by Tpt) [spec:editorial] 16:41:59 ktk: yes, will add this to next week's agenda 16:42:11 q? 16:42:39 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:42:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin 16:43:34 s/reasure/reassure/ 16:43:43 s/THe/The/ 16:43:52 s/these one/these ones/ 16:44:01 s/that needs to be incorporated/that need to be incorporated/ 16:44:08 s/people who make comment/people who make comments/ 16:44:17 s/having be unresponsive/having been unresponsive/ 16:44:29 s/implems/implementations/ 16:44:42 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:44:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk 16:45:21 present+ Tpt 16:45:27 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:45:28 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk 16:47:44 regrets+ niklasl, william-vw 16:47:57 RRSAgent, draft minutes 16:47:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/23-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk 17:06:41 pfps has left #rdf-star 17:53:12 RRSAgent, leave 17:53:12 I see no action items