15:59:47 RRSAgent has joined #webai 15:59:51 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/07/14-webai-irc 15:59:51 RRSAgent, make logs Public 15:59:52 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Roy_Ruoxi 15:59:52 present+ 15:59:59 present_ 16:00:00 Present+ Janina 16:00:01 present+ 16:00:09 AvneeshSingh has joined #webai 16:00:14 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:00:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/14-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 16:00:26 jasonjgw has joined #webai 16:00:39 agenda? 16:01:06 Web & AI IG and APA WG check-in (15 mins) 16:01:06 WebSkill presentation and QA from Chunhui (30 mins) 16:01:06 TPAC 16:01:07 AoB 16:01:34 present+ 16:02:06 present+ 16:02:12 present+ 16:03:09 JeffAdams-UN has joined #webai 16:03:25 present+ 16:03:32 stacey has joined #webai 16:03:34 xiaoqian has joined #webai 16:03:36 present+ 16:03:39 scribe+ 16:03:41 present+ 16:03:49 zakim, next item 16:03:49 I see nothing on the agenda 16:03:49 Topic: Web & AI IG and APA WG check-in (15 mins) 16:04:02 present+ 16:04:53 Max: [intro to the call and general agenda/TPAC and planning and other business] If no questions and nothing in Q, over to Matthew 16:05:00 Matthew: PLH first? 16:05:15 Matthew: Putting a link in presentation in IRC 16:05:19 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gZgFOkAGxpmPsBzA47S7bqHZ6rcDg3Z8zS9_beemR0g/edit?usp=sharing 16:05:26 slide -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1gZgFOkAGxpmPsBzA47S7bqHZ6rcDg3Z8zS9_beemR0g/edit?usp=sharing 16:06:12 Matthew: Will try and share via the Zoom screen share and talk through it. (refer to the slide deck instead of extensive minutes) 16:07:43 ...pointers to themes and specific work relevant for you. Main goal - sufficiently interested in some of these and have TPAC discussion or other. Or before TPAC. Teaser to start a dialog that resonates. Interested in your goals/aims and help. 16:09:46 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:09:47 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/14-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 16:09:59 ...Promise is amazing. Conversations about the image. Amazing adaptations to content that might help make it easier to understand or different way than intended. Downsides...hallucinations (and can't tell) - "burden shifting." (refer to slides for more details) 16:11:47 ...next slide has several links. If access issues, let Matthew know. RQTF draft on a11y of ML and genAI. Issue paper. 16:13:22 ...slide mentions ATAG, Adaptation and Personalization CG, and Proposed WebMCP spec (again, links to these are on the slide deck, that Matthew shared in the minutes before starting) 16:16:28 ...Next steps up to us - anything sound interesting, talk before or after TPAC, and how can APA help with goals? 16:16:33 ...questions? 16:16:57 q? 16:17:05 q+ 16:17:13 Max: we don't have to stop in 4 minutes. We can be flexible. 16:17:13 ack Roy 16:17:25 https://www.w3.org/calendar/tpac2026/grid/ 16:18:53 Roy: TPAC - calendar/schedule. Web and AI interest group - should have a joint meeting? Only me and Max join TPAC...anyone else joining? can we coordinate with APA? 16:19:53 Max: bring broader consensus/bring groups together. Matthew- you know where conerns are and keyed in...so question to you instead of what WE want/how can we be a help to APA? Can we provide a space for you to converse with other working groups "banner up" at TPAC? Serve you in reponse? 16:20:57 Janina: blue sky - want to put something on table. Would love for us to think about it. Parental...don't do what I do, do what I say. We have that problem with AI. Want to figure something out. Learning/training on an inaccessible web generates inaccessible content. How do we coax it into not imitating us, but doing better than us? 16:21:19 ...long term question that all the other things MAtthew talked about will point to that. No easy answer, but worth thinking about 16:22:04 q+ 16:22:36 Max: If we're framing to respond to blue sky with blue sky...framing what to achieve at TPAC as broader convo, might be worth than discussing specific topics. Rather present convo for braoder consortium of what AI training looks like on the web? Could look like a break out session. Doesn't ned to be a joint working group/interest group meeting. 16:22:36 Other shapes for that. Enamored by the question. 16:22:46 ack plh 16:24:42 PLH: for TPAC, mini workshops a first this year. A long breakout. Allow to center topics, do papers, hosts, food, etc. Parallel to breakouts as well. Three of those mini workshops, one topic pushing forward is impact of AI in society and the web. Similar to this issue. Future of the open web. Azia agreed to look at the sessions, she's going to 16:24:42 attempt to recruit Lola. Working on social impact doc as well. Used for that session. Don't rush to her yet, it's new and she doesn't have details yet. Interested in helping - reach out to Azia. 16:24:52 Max: PLH - any other updates? 16:26:13 https://www.w3.org/2026/ecommerce-agents/ 16:26:22 PLH: happy to see APC on Matthew's slides. Pushing to look at specs sooner rather than later. A lot of industry pressure web MPC. didn't officially start charter, but doing a review of it as it is. Ecommerce Workshop we intend to publish in early August. 16:26:33 ...ecommerce and AI agents 16:27:02 Max: seeing an emty queue and we're all genrally thinking same on next steps. Thank you Matthew for presenting and we'll keep communication open as TPAC gets closer. 16:27:19 Matthew: quick thank you for those who contributed to the slides 16:27:19 Topic: WebSkill presentation and QA from Chunhui (30 mins) 16:27:23 zakim, next item 16:27:23 I see nothing on the agenda 16:27:45 Max: p[resentation on web skill from Chunhui 16:27:50 slides -> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1del1JQrDneDNVdwMYkcyBqHaCRS-EarIVPT1TN4sFJc/edit?slide=id.g3f5231adf52_2_225#slide=id.g3f5231adf52_2_225 16:28:07 Chunhoi: sharing screen with slides. Will do limited scribing, refer to the link for the slides as needed. 16:28:35 ...SaaS - skill as a service. 16:29:32 ...slide discusses agent skill and what it is. Agent is a smart but new employee and agent skill is training manual for this new employee. 16:31:08 ...skills solves big three problems with current AI. Context bloat (too much in prompt), lack of domain expert experience (skills capture human experience), avoid repetitive prompting (have to write long prompt over and over). 16:31:31 ...webskill - runs 100% in web browser. Doesnt' need a backend server 16:43:24 q? 16:46:53 ...https://webskill.ai/demo 16:46:58 q+ 16:47:29 ack stacey 16:47:29 q+ 16:47:32 q+ 16:47:34 ack plh 16:48:06 PLH: those webskills, some come from web and get installed. If installed, only installed for specific origin? 16:48:18 Chunhui: they have dynamic.. 16:48:34 q+ 16:48:40 q- 16:48:52 PLH: web extension in browser and goes across whatever you're looking at by default. How similar is a webskill that you install? activated on any webpage? that the idea? 16:51:33 Chunhui: install extension to a browswer to activate the skill, but webskill does not need to be installed extension to browser. Second, try to use extension but skill stored in extension and find the skills content in local extensions and files and webskills is personal skill (he referred back to 1.3 webskill slide in the deck). There's no 16:51:33 separate different web pages... 16:52:07 PHL: how do you know which webskill to use? It could be used automatically, but if used automatic, it would have to know all available webskills to know which one to select and load 16:52:46 Chunhui: all names and skills are shared with the LLM. IT would kick up one skill that meets the user requirements. Then it will send full skills md body content to LLM to activated. 16:53:23 PHL: could be suffering ...too many tools/skills you may reduce context window significantly before you start? 16:53:51 Chunhui: need dynamic webskills (see 2.4 in slide deck) instead of persistent skills 16:54:00 q? 16:54:09 PHL: thank you. will still need to look at the demo to wrap head around it 16:54:18 q+ 16:54:24 ack gendler 16:54:52 Max: skills, like underlying models, can vary in size. Work trying to make everything smaller/more agile. Do you imagine size limitations need or since it's local you don't have to worry about it? 16:55:10 Chunhui: don't have to worry about size. Depends on DDY storage and capacity 16:55:23 Max: through transmission layer - how does latency affect the experience? 16:55:31 ...need to play around with the demo and see how it works 16:55:33 ack roy 16:55:44 https://github.com/w3c/webai/issues 16:55:49 Roy: want to highlight follow ups to keep discussing on this topic. Shared a link 16:56:44 ...can set up/follow up issues here. They may have some interaction with WebMCP. Maybe will go into the working group in future. Hot topic. Different layer of WebMCP? Attract more people from web learning group? 16:57:37 Max: dicussed TPAC a little already. Anything else people want to raise for chairs/group to consider? And any other business at all? 16:57:51 ...also available offline as well via email or github issues 16:58:32 RRSAgent, make minutes 16:58:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/14-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi 19:24:37 Zakim has left #webai