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12:40:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), antoine
12:40:44 <antoine> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group
12:40:53 <antoine> Chair: Antoine
12:41:20 <antoine> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/cf468f73-53d3-4cd8-bb8a-eb534f47bc80/20260709T100000/#agenda
12:41:29 <antoine> rrsagent, please make logs public
12:41:51 <antoine> Present+
12:44:11 <antoine> Regrets+ Les, Nick, Riccardo, Lars, Simon
12:44:34 <antoine> rrsagent, please generate minutes
12:44:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
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14:02:51 <antoine> present+ Les
14:02:57 <antoine> rrsagent, please generate minutes
14:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
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14:03:05 <RobA> present+
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14:03:27 <Dan> present
14:03:32 <antoine> Regrets- Les
14:03:49 <antoine> rrsagent, please generate minutes
14:03:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
14:03:57 <pchampin> present+ Dan
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14:05:23 <pchampin> Zakim, who is here?
14:05:23 <Zakim> Present: antoine, pchampin, Les, RobA, annette_g, csarven, Dan, FranckC
14:05:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arofan, bartkl, Les, annette_g, RobA, Dan, FranckC, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, pchampin, csarven
14:05:54 <antoine> present+ Arofan, FranckM
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14:06:29 <Les> present+
14:08:29 <antoine> FranckMichel: what should be scribed?
14:08:47 <antoine> pchampin: there are some technical guides. It doesn't need to be word-for-word
14:08:59 <antoine> ... if people disagree they can make comments
14:09:33 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/guide/meetings/zakim.html
14:09:33 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/guide/meetings/irc.html
14:09:45 <antoine> https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html
14:10:23 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/wiki/Scribing_Instructions
14:11:02 <antoine> pchampin: the 101 is to mention names then colon then what they say, and keep line short
14:11:10 <antoine> ... if you need longer lines use 3 dots
14:11:42 <antoine> ... It can be a name or an IRC nickname (the good thing of using them is autocompletion)
14:11:55 <Les> https://w3c.github.io/scribe2/scribedoc.html
14:12:15 <pchampin> scribe+ FranckMichel
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14:14:10 <antoine> Topic: Approval of previous minutes
14:14:18 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2026/07/02-dxwg-minutes.html
14:14:46 <FranckMichel> antoine: proposal to accept last week's minutes
14:14:59 <RobA> +0
14:15:08 <YoucTagh> +1
14:15:11 <pchampin> +1
14:15:12 <bartkl> +0
14:15:12 <Dan> +1
14:15:15 <antoine> +1
14:15:18 <FranckC> +1
14:15:19 <Arofan> +0
14:15:40 <FranckMichel> RESOLVED: no objection, minutes  approved
14:15:55 <Les> +1
14:15:59 <antoine> Topic: Editors
14:16:11 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables_2026
14:16:37 <FranckMichel> antoine: following discussion in past call, group has a wikicite, ltos of legacy material
14:17:01 <FranckMichel> ... tried to recap all deliverables and people who expressed interests as editors or task force members
14:17:15 <FranckMichel> ... accept this as a beginning
14:17:54 <FranckMichel> ... open one more time for candidates if any others
14:18:33 <FranckMichel> ... Les still with question mark
14:18:40 <FranckMichel> Les: remove the "?"
14:19:11 <FranckMichel> bartkl: interested in working on Prov as task force member
14:19:29 <FranckMichel> antoine: not fixed in stone, everyone welcome.
14:19:38 <FranckMichel> ... For editors this is a bit more formal.
14:19:57 <FranckMichel> ... we don't intend to make this too formal though.
14:20:31 <FranckMichel> ... there is understanding that people may also drop out later iftoo much load
14:20:48 <FranckMichel> Les: confirm participation in Prov
14:20:55 <RobA> i hope to be able to contribute to Data Cube too.
14:21:23 <FranckC> q+
14:21:37 <FranckMichel> antoine: good thing because little people on DQ for now.
14:22:11 <FranckMichel> RobA: strong interest in DQ, worked with semanticdescription in the past
14:22:28 <antoine> s/semanticdescription/semantic description
14:22:34 <FranckMichel> ... i'll see where I can contribute
14:22:42 <Arofan> I thought it was QB
14:22:48 <antoine> s/DQ/QB
14:23:29 <annette_g> I'm interested in helping with vivid
14:23:32 <pchampin> s/on DQ/on QB
14:24:26 <FranckMichel> FranckC: '?' on QB and DQV but probably too much spreading myself. I won't be able to commit for the 4 streams that I declared interest into
14:24:56 <FranckMichel> ... possible to make light contribs - particularly for QB and DQV
14:24:58 <RobA> likewise, i should probably contribute to DQV since i am working on ISO 19157 Data Quality Measures Register
14:25:14 <csarven> q+
14:25:15 <RobA> and can probably explore implementations
14:25:25 <Arofan> I also want to follow DQV, but am afraid of being spread too thin. Would be happy to review, etc.
14:25:37 <antoine> s/?/FranckC
14:26:12 <FranckC> q-
14:26:16 <FranckMichel> antoine: sorry for typos on acronyms :)
14:26:40 <FranckMichel> antoine: annette_g interested with VVD
14:27:10 <FranckMichel> ...  RobA to contribute to DWV
14:28:02 <FranckMichel> scribe lost track of Arofan's comment
14:28:23 <Dan> I am in the same box. Data Quality is an interest of mine.
14:29:13 <FranckMichel> antoine: expect task force to report regularly to the whole group, plenty of opportunities for people to report
14:29:50 <FranckMichel> Dan: cant be in both VVD qnd DQV at the same time
14:30:04 <FranckMichel> ... I'm happy with reviewing
14:30:07 <antoine> q?
14:30:31 <RobA> i will follow VVD - in discussions re collaboration via CDIF and if possible will contribute indirectly that way.
14:30:59 <FranckMichel> csarven: no exclusion of anyone to contribute to various thins
14:31:02 <pchampin> +1 csarven
14:31:06 <FranckMichel> s/thins/things
14:31:18 <YoucTagh> q+
14:31:30 <RobA> q+
14:31:55 <FranckMichel> antoine: yes, many ways to contribute, task forces mostly for organization but everyone can comment and raise issues
14:32:11 <FranckMichel> ... when using Github for discussions issues on specs, all is visible to everyone
14:32:59 <FranckMichel> ... we should be ready for having comments from everyone including beyond the group and task forces
14:33:02 <antoine> q?
14:33:13 <antoine> q- csarven
14:33:27 <antoine> q- YoucTagh
14:33:35 <csarven> https://www.w3.org/policies/process/#ReqsAllGroups re "task forces"
14:34:02 <FranckMichel> YoucTagh: agree, usually in the task forces tab there is a link to suscribe to the meetings
14:34:19 <YoucTagh> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/task-forces/
14:35:03 <YoucTagh> q-
14:35:20 <FranckMichel> antoine: I guess it is the chari's responsibility to create the task forces (tabs?)
14:35:39 <FranckMichel> s/chari/chair
14:35:49 <FranckMichel> pchampin: it is on me probably.
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14:36:06 <FranckMichel> ... the system team at W3C is improving the features
14:36:16 <FranckMichel> ... we might be ginny pigs on the new features
14:36:29 <csarven> q+ on (in)formal TFs
14:36:32 <antoine> s/chari's/chairs'
14:37:02 <FranckMichel> antoine: should we record a formal action to fill the site?
14:37:14 <FranckMichel> pchampin: we'll discuss that with the chairs
14:37:55 <csarven> q-
14:37:59 <FranckMichel> antoine: many things on the agenda, including for the task forces to explain their actions
14:38:13 <FranckMichel> ... I propose to postpone that to the next call
14:38:16 <RobA> +1
14:38:29 <Les> +1
14:38:32 <Arofan> +1
14:39:09 <FranckMichel> RobA: related to Github issues.
14:39:58 <annette_g> q+
14:40:39 <FranckMichel> ... keep the philosophical debates from the technical actionable specification production debates
14:40:50 <FranckMichel> ... These are different types of issues
14:41:21 <bartkl> q+
14:41:22 <FranckMichel> one way is to organize this as projects with separate issues
14:41:41 <Les> +q
14:42:21 <FranckMichel> antoine: it's difficult to manage this way, actionable aspects can move to philosophical issues
14:42:56 <antoine> ack annette_g
14:43:03 <antoine> ack RobA
14:43:08 <FranckMichel> annette_g: was indeed challening
14:43:45 <FranckMichel> ... option is to bin the time spent on specific issues
14:43:48 <pchampin> q?
14:43:57 <FranckMichel> s/bin/bind
14:43:57 <pchampin> q+ Dan
14:44:17 <FranckMichel> annette_g: better job integrating the two types of issues
14:44:17 <antoine> q?
14:44:18 <Dan> q+
14:44:59 <RobA> sounds good
14:45:01 <FranckMichel> bartkl: managing projects on Github is more complex but discussions on issues can be sufficient
14:45:24 <antoine> ack Les
14:45:38 <antoine> ack bartkl
14:45:55 <FranckMichel> Les: I support the idea of having multiple Github projects
14:46:22 <RobA> the mechanisms are not mutually exclusive i think
14:46:31 <FranckMichel> ... in pratices issues don't progress much it to long
14:46:49 <FranckMichel> ... a project is useful and flexible as well
14:46:59 <Les> q-
14:46:59 <antoine> s/issues/some issues
14:47:13 <annette_g> s/bin/bound
14:47:24 <FranckMichel> antoine: long issues could stay in the back log?
14:47:36 <antoine> s/it to long/in a long time
14:47:58 <FranckMichel> Les: [scibre lost]
14:48:05 <RobA> q?
14:48:52 <FranckMichel> Les: projects would decide what is in scope or not
14:49:37 <antoine> ack Dan
14:49:46 <csarven> Aside: from the W3C Process: "The scope of these assignments must not exceed the scope of the group’s charter."
14:50:04 <FranckMichel> Dan: I'm concerned, using projects for existing specs may be an pb.
14:50:24 <RobA> I quite like the idea of moving issues to discussions if necessary rather than clogging up the backlog, and having clean production workflows via projects for spec refinement
14:50:24 <FranckMichel> ... For VVD this is a new spec so we can start from scratch.
14:50:29 <FranckMichel> ... no one fits all approach
14:51:07 <FranckMichel> antoine: individually making the decision of what's manageable or not.
14:51:33 <FranckMichel> Dan: each project in the WG must have freedom to approach the orgnization as they like
14:52:07 <FranckMichel> RobA: we can have projectless specs, while keeping a backlog of actions
14:52:12 <csarven> q+ scope for a deliverable vs. scope crossing over related or dependent specs
14:52:20 <annette_g> q+
14:52:54 <FranckMichel> RobA: having the backlog can become big
14:53:09 <FranckMichel> ... so projectless discussion issues may work for some specs not for all
14:54:50 <FranckMichel> annette_g: ???... make a project for a level...
14:54:52 <YoucTagh> q+
14:55:32 <annette_g> s/make a project for a level/make a project for the high-level discussions
14:55:37 <FranckMichel> Les: what is not done well is labelling
14:55:48 <csarven> q-
14:56:06 <FranckMichel> ... I support the idea of projects but no pb if the group decides differently
14:56:32 <csarven> q- scope
14:56:45 <FranckMichel> YoucTagh: labels needed and useful to keep track of interest for issues
14:57:05 <FranckMichel> ... prjects vs. labels: important is yto have a clear way of dealing with things
14:57:09 <antoine> Topic: Summer calls
14:57:47 <FranckMichel> FranckC: I asked for people to respond and it was a flop :(
14:57:56 <FranckMichel> ... information is very partial now
14:58:07 <FranckMichel> .. 2 meetings at risk : begining of August
14:58:39 <FranckMichel> ... I propose to discuss at the call for chairs and W3C staff
14:59:09 <FranckMichel> ... I'll send the link again
14:59:54 <antoine> Topic: Physical meeting - brainstorming
15:00:22 <FranckMichel> antoine: good thing to have physical meetings,
15:00:44 <FranckMichel> ... chairs intend to come back to that and have a proposition during the coming call
15:01:42 <annette_g> great job doing minutes for the first time, FranckM!
15:02:50 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:02:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
15:05:11 <antoine> s/scribe lost track of Arofan's comment//
15:08:51 <antoine> s/[scibre lost]//
15:08:56 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:08:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
15:10:49 <antoine> s/challening/challenging
15:14:30 <antoine> s/???... make a project for the high-level discussions.../we could make a project for the high-level discussions/
15:14:35 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:14:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
15:15:17 <antoine> s/yto/to/
15:16:11 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:16:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
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16:46:14 <antoine> zakim, end meeting
16:46:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been antoine, pchampin, Les, RobA, annette_g, csarven, Dan, FranckC, Arofan, FranckM, YoucTagh
16:46:16 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:46:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-dxwg-minutes.html Zakim
16:46:22 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, antoine; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:48:06 <antoine> rrsagent, bye
16:48:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items