16:57:49 RRSAgent has joined #aria 16:57:53 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-aria-irc 16:57:53 RRSAgent, make logs Public 16:57:54 Meeting: ARIA WG 16:58:04 Agendabot, find agenda 16:59:27 agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://tinyurl.com/487368mb) 16:59:27 agenda+[New PR Triage](https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created:%3E=2026-07-02+repo:w3c/aria&type=Issues) 16:59:27 agenda+[WPT Open PRs](https://tinyurl.com/wpt-a11y) 16:59:27 agenda+[Deep Dive planning](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) 16:59:28 agenda+[Accessibility mapping of `` element](https://github.com/w3c/mathml-aam/issues/39) 16:59:28 agenda+ [Clarify Accessibility Parent-Child Relationships for menu, group, and menuitem](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2483) 16:59:28 agenda+[aria-actions: handling focus when actions are synthetically triggered](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2691) 16:59:58 Jacques has joined #aria 17:01:34 HaTheo has joined #Aria 17:01:54 present+ 17:02:01 siri has joined #aria 17:02:59 present+ 17:03:23 cyns has joined #aria 17:04:28 front-endian-jane has joined #aria 17:04:39 katez has joined #aria 17:04:40 scribe_ 17:04:44 scribe+ 17:04:48 present+ 17:05:12 present+ 17:05:24 dgrogan has joined #aria 17:05:50 zakam, next time 17:06:02 zakim, next item 17:06:02 agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://tinyurl.com/487368mb) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:06:02 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:06:34 Francis_Storr has joined #aria 17:06:55 sarah has joined #aria 17:07:15 github issue 2842 17:08:20 @jamesn I'll review this issue more closely to see if it's an AT bug or not 17:08:30 github issue 2841 17:08:57 present+ 17:10:35 Added to the agenda because this type of component has come up in other groups and there are questions about how it should be implemented 17:10:40 Stefan has joined #aria 17:10:46 present+ 17:11:10 github issue 2836 17:11:18 Added to agenda for further discussion 17:11:25 github issue 2834 17:11:55 There is a PR already so it was skipped 17:12:16 github issue core-aam 264 17:12:34 Assigned to Val so it isn't lost since she raised it 17:13:16 github issue 2831 17:14:18 @MattKing There is a lot here to discuss. 17:14:34 @jamesn 17:15:18 @jamesn Because there is already an active discussion and people looking into this I don't think we have to take this up. If you also have thoughts feel free to add comments 17:15:24 zakim, next item 17:15:24 agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created:%3E=2026-07-02+repo:w3c/aria&type=Issues) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:15:24 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:17:19 Very small change, just needed a couple reviewers assigned 17:17:21 zakim, next item 17:17:21 agendum 3 -- [WPT Open PRs](https://tinyurl.com/wpt-a11y) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:17:21 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:18:23 zakim, take up agendum 2 17:18:24 agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://github.com/search?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+created:%3E=2026-07-02+repo:w3c/aria&type=Issues) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:18:24 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:20:48 jcraig has joined #aria 17:20:53 zakim, next item 17:20:53 agendum 3 -- [WPT Open PRs](https://tinyurl.com/wpt-a11y) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:20:53 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:21:54 James Craig: Nothing major with WPT tests unless someone has something they want to discuss. 17:22:28 benbeaudry has joined #aria 17:22:30 present+ 17:22:48 @HaTheo There is a very flakey test that is sometimes being triggered by PR 60533 17:23:30 Janes Craig: We'll discuss the flakey test at the next WPT meeting since this is a known problem. 17:23:47 zakim, next item 17:23:47 agendum 4 -- [Deep Dive planning](https://bit.ly/aria-meaty-topic-candidates) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:23:47 I can't comment on that because it doesn't look like a github issue to me. 17:24:51 James Craig: We have an off cycle deep dive with a small group on Monday to discuss actions focus. 17:25:42 @jamesn: If you have something you feel you can add, you can attend, but if you are joining just to observe it may be best to leave them to figuring this out so the meeting has fewer people. 17:26:36 zakim, next item 17:26:36 agendum 5 -- [Accessibility mapping of `` element](https://github.com/w3c/mathml-aam/issues/39) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:28:02 @jamesn There has been some discussion of this the past few days. There is nothing in the specs for the mapping that is appearing in some browsers. 17:29:02 James Craig: If we can get all implementations to agree this will be an aligned implementation detail that can make its way into the spec. This is why these are living standards. I see these as bug fixes to get the end result. 17:29:58 Tyler Wilcock: I feel the bit about links being mapped to hrefs sometimes as a bit of a tangent to the original issue, but I'm good with doing this mapping in the spec. 17:30:12 @jamesn 17:30:55 @jamesn I feel that HTML-AAM also needs this change 17:31:46 James Craig: Then couldn't we also say a div with a click listener can be mapped that way? I would defer to the implementers that worked on this but maybe this should be limited to MathML? 17:32:09 @jamesn: This (in the issue) is in HTML, not MathML 17:32:19 q+ 17:32:55 Tyler Wilcock: I think the anchor tag has such strong semantics that it would work to have this mapping just in HTML. It wouldn't have to be added to things to divs too. 17:33:23 ack me 17:33:36 @sarah: Echoing Tyler's point, but it feels weird as a spec thing to do this when there is a click handler. 17:34:05 @jamesn: It feels weird because I've scolded devs for this for so long it feels weird for it to be okay now. 17:34:25 q+ 17:34:29 @sarah: I am trying to think through if I've relied on the older behavior in the spec in past projects that may break now. 17:35:11 @jamesn: Should checkers flag this as an error? If it works correctly everywhere it's okay, so maybe it's just a best practice warning. 17:35:31 Ack jc 17:35:55 James Craig: it's more of a pain for us spec authors, but it eases things for content authors. 17:36:19 @jamesn: Can someone open a new issue for HTML-AAM to resolve this there too? 17:36:56 James Craig: I'm about to open it. 17:37:24 zakim, next item 17:37:24 agendum 6 -- [Clarify Accessibility Parent-Child Relationships for menu, group, and menuitem](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2483) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:38:05 Matt_King has joined #aria 17:38:13 present+ 17:38:42 This PR had people added last week, they made comments, giacomo made updates and he removed the Agenda label, so no need to discuss 17:38:42 Agenda? 17:38:43 zakim, next item 17:38:45 agendum 7 -- [aria-actions: handling focus when actions are synthetically triggered](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2691) -- taken up [from jamesn] 17:39:17 agendabot has joined #aria 17:39:26 @sarah: Call is scheduled for Monday afternoon to discuss this, no updates since last week. 17:40:14 present+ 17:40:20 zakim, end meeting 17:40:20 As of this point the attendees have been HaTheo, JohnJansen, katez, front-endian-jane, sarah, Stefan, benbeaudry, Matt_King, Francis 17:40:23 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 17:40:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/09-aria-minutes.html Zakim 17:40:32 I am happy to have been of service, front-endian-jane; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. 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