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12:58:03 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:58:23 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
12:58:29 <janina> Date: 01 Jul 2026
12:58:34 <janina> Chair: Matthew
12:58:38 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:58:38 <janina> agenda+ [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/)
12:58:38 <janina> agenda+ New charters review
12:58:38 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
12:58:38 <janina> agenda+ WebMCP - should it be adopted as W3C work?
12:58:41 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
12:58:43 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
12:58:46 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
12:58:48 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin
12:58:51 <janina> agenda+ Other business
12:58:53 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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14:01:26 <janina> agenda?
14:01:32 <janina> present+
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14:03:01 <Crispy> Present+
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14:04:09 <Neha> present+
14:04:10 <PaulG> present+
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14:04:43 <janina> regrets: Eric_Hind, Gottfried_Zimmerman, Jennifer_Strickland, Marcelo_Paiva
14:04:45 <matatk> present+
14:05:05 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:05:05 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:45 <janina> scribe+
14:06:42 <matatk> ICCHP coming up later this month: https://icchp.org/welcome-26/
14:07:05 <janina> janina: But no remote participation, papers not yet published either
14:07:24 <Neha> https://davidaustinm.github.io/prefigure/
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14:07:50 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:07:50 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) -- taken up [from janina]
14:08:20 <matatk> Apply for funding! https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/W3C-Apply
14:08:35 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
14:08:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/01-apa-minutes.html janina
14:09:48 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:09:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New charters review -- taken up [from janina]
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14:10:08 <Fazio6> present+
14:10:25 <Fazio6> +1 TPAC is an awesome experience
14:10:40 <Fazio6> A Nerd Utopia
14:11:14 <matatk> subtopic: ATAG
14:11:15 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/552
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14:16:40 <matatk> scribe+
14:17:04 <matatk> Group is supportive overall; would like to know the expected date for ATAG-next, but not a blocker.
14:18:37 <Crispy> Zakim, next item
14:18:37 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:19:05 <Crispy> Zakim, close this item
14:19:05 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:19:06 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:19:06 <Zakim> 5. WebMCP - should it be adopted as W3C work? [from janina]
14:19:17 <Crispy> Zakim, next item
14:19:17 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- WebMCP - should it be adopted as W3C work? -- taken up [from janina]
14:19:51 <matatk> Email for context: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2026Jun/0019.html
14:22:10 <Fazio> via prompt to the user?
14:22:19 <janina> Good RQTF discussion today logged here: https://www.w3.org/2026/07/01-rqtf-minutes.html
14:22:33 <PaulG> q+
14:22:37 <janina> q+
14:24:15 <Fazio> no different than latover dilemma
14:24:24 <Fazio> layover
14:24:26 <matatk> q?
14:24:30 <Fazio> q+
14:25:06 <Fazio> +1 to excitement
14:25:37 <Dr_Keith> q+
14:26:28 <Crispy> matatk: Interested in adapting the interface to the user. This is a huge architectural overhall. Concerned about potential misuse and issues for users with AT. Maybe only for devs? What is the risk to the A11y tree?
14:26:40 <matatk> Dr_Keith's view: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2026Jun/0020.html
14:26:49 <Fazio> Dr_Keith email was very well worded
14:26:56 <matatk> q?
14:27:00 <matatk> ack PaulG
14:27:03 <Crispy> ack PaulG
14:27:56 <Crispy> PaulG: AI adopters possibly to get special access? Thinks we should take this on.
14:28:38 <Fazio> why does it need to be chartered?
14:28:42 <Crispy> matatk: Question is that this spec as is, do we adopt it?
14:29:02 <Crispy> PaulG: What are the options for us?
14:29:24 <Crispy> matatk: Adopt and it requires review, etc.
14:29:28 <Fazio> do all specs need to be chartered specifically?
14:29:38 <Crispy> Not adopt as it is, propose a different way.
14:29:57 <Fazio> If it is chartered it can still end up being deemed inappropriate in the end
14:30:05 <Crispy> They want to atleast investigate
14:30:11 <matatk> q?
14:30:34 <Fazio> W3C needs excitement
14:30:40 <Fazio> This is exciting
14:30:45 <Crispy> PaulG: Concerned without eyes on it may get abused
14:31:36 <Crispy> Browser vendors may use this or partner with AT companies. It should be ubiquitous, yet private, and secure
14:32:34 <Fazio> All reasons to charter and police it
14:32:41 <matatk> q?
14:32:53 <Crispy> matatk: Mentioned that there are position statements on this. Google are in favour, Mozilla said nothing to date, Safari object strongly.
14:32:56 <matatk> ack janina
14:32:58 <Crispy> Ack janina
14:33:11 <Fazio> charter for exploratory review
14:33:39 <Crispy> Inclined to have discussion at least, but where and who. Not enough info for core group to handle this?
14:34:07 <Fazio> TPAC meeting on Wev MCP?
14:34:11 <Fazio> Web
14:34:37 <Crispy> Needs W3C involvement, but in what format?
14:35:10 <Fazio> Do we have a say in what WG takes it up?
14:35:14 <Crispy> matatk They already have the bandwidth and are already looking into it
14:35:34 <Fazio> charter us deep into the cross review
14:36:05 <Crispy> matatk: tremendous pressure to do this. Currently great risk to move this to recommendation.
14:36:35 <matatk> q?
14:37:01 <matatk> ack Fazio
14:37:24 <Crispy> janina: If they won't listen to the broader public maybe they aren't the right group to take it forward.
14:38:00 <Crispy> Fazio: Not too concerned with objections, but we should support the exploration
14:38:35 <Crispy> Chartering isn't endorsing, but must be explored
14:38:58 <Crispy> matatk: possible to charter exploring an issue we're not sure how to solve yet
14:39:13 <Crispy> David gave an example of this being done elsewhere
14:40:32 <matatk> q?
14:40:44 <Crispy> matatk: This isn't an example of exploratory work. They have created the spec, no more research is due to be done. What they propose has too many issues from an A11y and security perspective. We need to clarify what we need to see happen.
14:40:49 <Crispy> David agrees
14:41:10 <matatk> ack Dr_Keith
14:41:29 <Fazio> I support Dr_Keith's email
14:41:36 <matatk> q?
14:41:51 <Crispy> Dr_Keith: agrees we should support it but we need to involve our comments as not fit for purpose as it stands
14:42:02 <PaulG> q+
14:42:14 <matatk> scribe+
14:42:42 <matatk> Crispy: I've gone through the emails; I think Leonie had some good input in the threads; I agree it is interesting but certainly from an accessibility point of view needs work.
14:42:43 <PaulG> q-
14:44:15 <Crispy> PaulG: WEbMCP can be helpful, gave a workflow example, highlights loads of other areas it can help. Get it to help the larger audience. Doesn't want to shelve it.
14:44:51 <matatk> q?
14:45:08 <matatk> agenda?
14:45:24 <Crispy> Zakim, take up item 7
14:45:24 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:45:49 <matatk> subtopic: Open UI ::interest-button
14:45:51 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/331
14:46:12 <matatk> relevant bit of explainer: https://open-ui.org/components/interest-invokers.explainer/#option-35---add-an-opt-in-info-button-pseudo-element
14:48:52 <janina> regrets+ Chiara_Cerretti
14:52:05 <Crispy> matatk: Interest invokers - Explained the scenario for a pop-up on hover with stats on a person, press on link, go to full page user profile. Similarly, link on Github,gives info on pop-up, saves moving away from current place. Wiki does the same with references. This pattern to not follow a link to a page is quite common, trying to standardise
14:52:05 <Crispy> this. A11y management will all just work, but there are challenges. 1. Desktop with mouse works, on mobile hover might not be available. How to implement it? 2. Immersive platforms like Vision OS and Android XR - Look at link for a while and pop up may appear. Privacy issue on where the users are looking.
14:52:43 <Crispy> One technique - provide button - look at link and button pop asks if interested and user selects the button.
14:53:10 <Crispy> Ways around this. Button maybe provided by the user agent
14:54:12 <Crispy> How should this be styled by default? Opt in or Opt out by a media query?
14:56:34 <Crispy> PaulG: Concerns for User agent controlling that button, etc, and the default. Not enough modality use considered, we need to look at more.
14:57:05 <matatk> Please comment with use cases/Qs/concerns on https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/331 so we can make an APA comment soon
14:57:57 <Crispy> matatk: Please comment by next week and add use cases if you have any.
14:58:37 <Crispy> We can illustrate to the group what they may not have considered.
14:58:56 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:58:56 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Crispy, Neha, PaulG, Roy_Ruoxi, matatk, Dr_Keith, Fazio, JonCohn
14:58:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/07/01-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:59:08 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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