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13:02:22 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:02:38 <julierawe> Meeting: COGA Review of W3C
13:02:47 <julierawe> date: 25 june 2026
13:02:50 <julierawe> agenda?
13:02:57 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
13:02:57 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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13:03:19 <Eric_hind> PRESENT+
13:03:41 <julierawe> present+
13:03:46 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
13:03:56 <julierawe> agenda+ Scheduling for the next few weeks
13:04:20 <julierawe> Scheduling link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.uggxirp4slpc#heading=h.xvuinihmbhgv
13:05:10 <julierawe> agenda+ Animation: Need volunteer to draft proximity/co-location issue
13:05:23 <julierawe> agenda+ Animation: Adjust motion/pseudo-motion issue to make clearer that no pseudo-motion is allowed
13:05:34 <julierawe> agenda+ Adjust same issue to add exception for "mini-motions" per Rachael suggestion
13:05:47 <julierawe> agenda+ Consider defining motion
13:06:13 <julierawe> agenda+ Images: Missing provisions about distracting issues
13:06:44 <julierawe> agenda+ Help and feedback: Finish reviewing the issues that Jennifer and Len drafted
13:06:48 <julierawe> agenda?
13:06:58 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 6
13:06:58 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Images: Missing provisions about distracting issues -- taken up [from julierawe]
13:07:13 <julierawe> https://w3c.github.io/wcag3/guidelines/#images-and-media
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13:08:18 <julierawe> LenB: Is there a way to tackle this section so there's a value to the subgroup that is working on it?
13:08:38 <julierawe> LenB: Should we get that one issue about distracting images in sooner and get to the rest of the section later?
13:11:06 <julierawe> julierawe: I think it would be great to submit an issue now about something big that is missing from this section.
13:12:18 <julierawe> LenB: Distraction, overload, business, taking someone off task — this seems like a sleeper topic that could have a big impact on users.
13:12:28 <julierawe> present+ LenB
13:12:44 <julierawe> present+ Rashmi
13:12:49 <julierawe> present+ kirkwood
13:13:08 <julierawe> present+ Eric_hind
13:15:55 <julierawe> Group discussed using Ai to compare our user needs to the Images section to see which user needs are not being met.
13:17:02 <julierawe> LenB: I can spend some time using AI to see what's missing, to give us the bigger picture of what's missing from this entire section.
13:17:10 <julierawe> LenB: I could share that out on Monday.
13:18:16 <julierawe> LenB shared the spreadsheet that has the first pass by Claude.
13:18:23 <julierawe> Eric_hind: I'll have a look at that.
13:18:51 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 1
13:18:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scheduling for the next few weeks -- taken up [from julierawe]
13:19:04 <julierawe> Scheduling link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.uggxirp4slpc#heading=h.xvuinihmbhgv
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13:27:02 <LenB> present+
13:32:38 <julierawe> Are people available for COGA review meeting on Thursday, July 2nd?
13:33:40 <julierawe> Len, Eric, Rashmi, John can attend. Julie is a maybe.
13:34:42 <julierawe> Are people available the main COGA task force meeting on Monday, July 6?
13:35:08 <julierawe> correction: John cannot attend July 2nd subgroup meeting.
13:35:48 <julierawe> Julie, Len, Eric, John, Rashmi can all on July 6.
13:36:13 <julierawe> Group discussed scheduling discussions for the next several weeks.
13:36:28 <julierawe> Group is feeling stretched thin and not ready to volunteer to review other sections yet.
13:36:37 <julierawe> zakim, next item
13:36:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Animation: Need volunteer to draft proximity/co-location issue -- taken up [from julierawe]
13:39:32 <julierawe> julierawe summarized the June 15th COGA task force discussion that identified a gap in WCAG 3.
13:42:23 <julierawe> julierawe said the issue we draft should flag that every WCAG 3 subgroup should consider whether their section needs to include something about co-location/proximity. The issue could mention animation as one example where this need is not being addressed, but there are other sections that should think about this as well.
13:44:36 <julierawe> julierawe: We want this issue to apply not just to Animation but to other sections as well.
13:45:46 <julierawe> julierawe: We could submit as one of our General Issues.
13:48:27 <julierawe> Rashmi: Need to consider the needs of keyboard users as well as non-keyboard users.
13:49:09 <julierawe> Rashmi will draft the issue.
13:49:49 <julierawe> Link to General Issues tab: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.u8djtsijtiud
14:02:12 <julierawe> Action item: Rashmi to share draft in time to discuss at July 9th subgroup meeting.
14:02:19 <julierawe> zakim, next item
14:02:19 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Animation: Adjust motion/pseudo-motion issue to make clearer that no pseudo-motion is allowed -- taken up [from julierawe]
14:02:50 <julierawe> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.7btf7qjplo1i#heading=h.ug544rrtrwde
14:08:16 <julierawe> Group discussed how to make clear that no pseudo-motion is allowed.
14:10:58 <julierawe> Action item: julierawe to separate pseudo-motion into a separate issue.
14:11:12 <julierawe> zakim, next item
14:11:12 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Adjust same issue to add exception for "mini-motions" per Rachael suggestion -- taken up [from julierawe]
14:12:09 <julierawe> Example of micro-interactions https://www.nngroup.com/articles/microinteractions/ which I think would be the hard part to remove.
14:12:18 <julierawe> Consider defining motion so it's clear the main focus of this issue is things like changing backgrounds, dynamic color changes for attention grabbing buttons, auto-playing videos, things that shift as you scroll
14:14:46 <julierawe> Suggest adding an exception for micro-interactions.
14:18:52 <julierawe> Need a volunteer to rework this issue: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.7btf7qjplo1i#heading=h.2h5kievlb86f
14:22:18 <julierawe> agenda?
14:23:02 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 7
14:23:04 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Help and feedback: Finish reviewing the issues that Jennifer and Len drafted -- taken up [from julierawe]
14:24:31 <julierawe> Link to "Help and feedback" tab: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.uubdkgkddw8k#heading=h.kgn36ddm0h3f
14:49:11 <julierawe> Group adjusted the draft to leave open the possibility of using and defining "logical proximity" or expanding the definition of "visually collocated with."
14:49:26 <julierawe> Rashmi suggested we draft these definitions.
14:49:48 <julierawe> julierawe emphasized that we only need to flag problems right now. We do not need to draft the solutions.
14:50:02 <julierawe> julierawe also expressed concern with COGA taking on too many tasks that are time-consuming.
14:56:53 <julierawe> Group discussed draft issue for "Sensory characteristics not relied on": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.uubdkgkddw8k#heading=h.e7lg9gvz14cu
14:59:34 <julierawe> Draft issue is raising concerns about how this provision should apply to voice systems.
15:00:00 <julierawe> For reference, here is COGA's research module on voice systems: https://www.w3.org/TR/2026/DNOTE-coga-voice-20260205/
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15:03:41 <Jennifer> present+
15:04:45 <Jennifer> q+
15:18:56 <julierawe> ack Jennifer
15:31:12 <julierawe> Action item: Jennifer to tease this issue apart into two separate issues:
15:31:53 <julierawe> Action item: Jennifer will tag the core subgroup members when the updated drafts are ready to review.
15:40:24 <julierawe> For the issue about disabled controls, the group discussed Rashmi's margin comment: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?pli=1&tab=t.uubdkgkddw8k#heading=h.l2ebzfzbqnmb
15:40:43 <julierawe> We responded to the comment that we don't need to get into solutions yet. We just need to flag the problem now.
15:56:37 <julierawe> The group discussed reminders and thinks it should be covered in "Process and Task Completion."
16:00:14 <julierawe> Action item: Jennifer to draft a reminders issue that can be moved into the Process and Task Completion tab.
16:03:25 <julierawe> Jennifer is off July 2nd and July 9th. Could schedule next Help and Feedback on July 16th.
16:04:49 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
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