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12:50:24 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Tanya
12:50:30 <Tanya> Zakim, this is MATF 24 June 2026
12:50:30 <Zakim> got it, Tanya
12:50:43 <Tanya> Meeting: MATF 24 June 2026
12:50:54 <Tanya> chair+
12:51:32 <Tanya> agenda+ Definitions
12:51:46 <Tanya> agenda+ Success Criterion 2.5.3 - Label in Name
12:51:54 <Tanya> Success Criterion 2.5.8 - Target Size (Minimum)
12:52:10 <Tanya> zakim, agenda?
12:52:10 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
12:52:11 <Zakim> 1. Definitions [from Tanya]
12:52:11 <Zakim> 2. Success Criterion 2.5.3 - Label in Name [from Tanya]
12:52:26 <Tanya> agenda+ Success Criterion 2.5.8 - Target Size (Minimum)
12:52:35 <Tanya> zakim, agenda?
12:52:35 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
12:52:36 <Zakim> 1. Definitions [from Tanya]
12:52:36 <Zakim> 2. Success Criterion 2.5.3 - Label in Name [from Tanya]
12:52:36 <Zakim> 3. Success Criterion 2.5.8 - Target Size (Minimum) [from Tanya]
12:52:58 <Tanya> regrets: shoobe01
12:53:15 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
12:53:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
12:53:48 <Tanya> move to next agendum
12:53:48 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Definitions -- taken up [from Tanya]
12:53:57 <Tanya> > rrsagent, make minutes
12:54:33 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
12:54:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
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13:02:35 <pauljadam> present+
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13:03:25 <jwlilly> Present +
13:03:39 <jwlilly> present+
13:06:43 <Tanya> regrets: quintin
13:10:06 <Tanya> scribe+ pauljadam
13:10:18 <pauljadam> Tanya: assigned Paul as scribe
13:11:31 <pauljadam> Tanya: we're stuck on a couple of basic definitions such as platform, software layers, etc.
13:11:56 <pauljadam> Tanya: we've been discussing in the previous month the software layers diagram in miro
13:12:31 <pauljadam> Tanya: user agent seems to be less applicable to mobile apps or needs a good definition
13:12:50 <Tanya> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/270
13:13:00 <pauljadam> Tanya: need to define what is a framework, what is a platform, assistive technology, etc
13:13:59 <pauljadam> Tanya: made a suggestion for the definition of user agent in software
13:15:49 <pauljadam> Tanya: added definitions under user agent
13:16:47 <Tanya> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/63#issuecomment-4778824147
13:16:53 <pauljadam> Tanya: need to determine how do we name things and if they align to WCAGA 2.2 OR WCAG2ICT
13:18:48 <pauljadam> Tanya: we need these definitions like user agent to finalize the related success criteria
13:19:35 <pauljadam> Tanya: definition of set of pages, we decided to replace web pages with pages, now we have set of web pages
13:20:04 <pauljadam> Tanya: web pages were updated to pages but there was still some screens, views, and other terms that need to updated as well
13:20:24 <pauljadam> Tanya: set of pages definition suggested by shoobe01
13:21:23 <pauljadam> Tanya: reading the set of pages suggested definition and examples from MATF github issue 11
13:22:17 <pauljadam> Tanya: is an application a separate definition or is it a software in the layers diagram
13:22:35 <pauljadam> Tanya: are there any comments or concerns?
13:24:35 <pauljadam> Tanya: mobile operating system definition
13:25:05 <pauljadam> Tanya: there was a comment about should we define the mobile operating systems in scope
13:25:12 <pauljadam> q+
13:25:39 <pauljadam> Tanya: does this guidance apply to harmony OS ubuntu touch, etc. ?
13:26:23 <pauljadam> Tanya: shoobe01 suggested saying we focused on android and iOS but this guidance can apply to others
13:28:31 <pauljadam> Tanya: mention most of examples we use are based on android and iOS but guidance is meant for broader use than just those 2
13:29:59 <pauljadam> Tanya: accessibility interface definition we may not be able to discuss without more input, this was about keyboard interface, a11y interface, lets skip this for now
13:30:32 <pauljadam> Tanya: explaining how to assign yourself to a ticket in GitHub to work on a item you're interested it
13:31:42 <Tanya> ack pauljadam
13:32:01 <Tanya> move to next agendum
13:32:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Success Criterion 2.5.3 - Label in Name -- taken up [from Tanya]
13:32:37 <pauljadam> Tanya: would like to have input from Detlev
13:33:08 <pauljadam> Tanya: discussions about second note
13:33:47 <pauljadam> Tanya: reading note about a11y actions and excluding from a11y name
13:38:10 <jwlilly> q+
13:39:23 <Tanya> ack jwilly
13:39:44 <pauljadam> jwilly: yes this is tricky and prefers JJ's shorter note
13:40:14 <pauljadam> jwilly: read more as a region that has focus and contains the a11y actions
13:53:48 <pauljadam> Tanya: maybe we should explain why the label should be in the beginning of the name and remove note 2 because it adds too much complexity that we can't be 100% certain on
13:54:11 <Tanya> move to next agendum
13:54:11 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Tanya
13:54:24 <Tanya> ack jwilly
13:54:34 <Tanya> move to next agendum
13:54:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Tanya
13:55:01 <Tanya> ack jwlilly
13:55:08 <Tanya> move to next agendum
13:55:08 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Success Criterion 2.5.8 - Target Size (Minimum) -- taken up [from Tanya]
13:56:03 <Tanya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qbmifBKu_vTXOxbkj6gKOHwBsf-7NVtni0HUkFOgO6k/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.cos5gmam7jdr
13:56:23 <pauljadam> Tanya: Steven research on touch target size shared
13:57:29 <pauljadam> Tanya: target size says it should be 24 by 24 CSS pixels and we can't change these numbers in our note so we may need to make a new note that states info from Steven's research
13:58:01 <Tanya> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/10#issuecomment-4670758562
13:58:10 <pauljadam> Tanya: add comments in GitHub if you have any about the note or document
13:59:10 <pauljadam> Tanya: we need to finalize these
13:59:34 <pauljadam> Tanya: leave comments if you have any on the definitions so we can move forward with the final draft
14:02:38 <Tanya> regrets Joe
14:03:11 <Tanya> Zakim, list participants
14:03:11 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pauljadam, jwlilly
14:03:22 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
14:03:58 <Tanya> Regrets joe
14:04:18 <Tanya> Regrets shoobe01
14:04:26 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:04:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
14:05:04 <Tanya> regrets Joe, steven, quintin
14:05:12 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
14:05:59 <Tanya> regrets [Joe]
14:06:06 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:06:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
14:07:51 <Tanya> regrets+ steven
14:08:04 <Tanya> regrets+ joe
14:08:11 <Tanya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:08:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/24-matf-minutes.html Tanya
14:08:41 <Tanya> rrsagent, bye
14:08:41 <RRSAgent> I see no action items