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14:35:37 <ivan> Meeting: Verifiable Credentials Working Group Telco
14:35:37 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/d1c023dec417871d2a465f055a38d43c@w3.org
14:35:37 <ivan> chair: phila
14:35:37 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2026-06-17: https://www.w3.org/mid/d1c023dec417871d2a465f055a38d43c@w3.org
14:35:39 <ivan> regrets: brentz
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15:05:44 <pdl-ASU> Phila asks for intros
15:06:18 <pdl-ASU> hsano - introduced last time
15:06:27 <manu> present+
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15:06:49 <wes-smith> q+ to ask if we can discuss the forgery defense work on the call today
15:06:50 <manu> q+ to request going first, because I have to drop halfway through the call.
15:06:52 <pdl-ASU> Topic: Reflections on F2F
15:07:27 <pdl-ASU> Phila: f2f meeting brought people together working toward a common goal. Biggest takeaway.
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15:08:23 <phila> q?
15:08:30 <phila> ack manu
15:08:48 <pdl-ASU> manu: wes to talk about forgery defense to Wes.
15:08:50 <phila> Topic: recognized Entities TF
15:09:02 <ivan> present+ kezike
15:09:19 <ivan> present+ carolynn
15:09:36 <pdl-ASU> Manu: recognized enitities - good discussion, including a threat model for that spec. Developed a threat model with many use cases making sure the GS1, UNECE and the rest are supported
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15:09:51 <pdl-ASU> Manu: how to achieve that remains.
15:10:25 <pdl-ASU> Manu: won't go to a CR without concrete solutions that work for all concerned
15:10:43 <ivan> present+ jennie
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15:11:37 <pdl-ASU> Manu: Threat modeling as it applies to recognized entities spec. We are appoint a single person to put together a cohesive threat model draft. The Data Flow Diagram needs updating, and all threats addresses with cross-linking
15:11:55 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-recognized-entities/pull/83
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15:13:40 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to mention shapes for accessibility
15:13:43 <ivan> present+ dlongley
15:14:08 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:14:08 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to mention shapes for accessibility
15:14:09 <pdl-ASU> Manu: will be in CR as a result of TPAC
15:14:34 <pdl-ASU> Joe: on the diagrams please change the shapes of things for accessibility reasons
15:14:36 <manu> q+
15:14:42 <phila> ack manu
15:15:12 <pdl-ASU> Manu: tried it but it didn't looked good. What is our symbology for these diagrams?
15:15:14 <JoeAndrieu> q+ the tmg guide has one
15:15:33 <JoeAndrieu> https://w3.org/TR/threat-modeling-guide
15:15:35 <TallTed> a11y will ding us for the "color is your only clue" ... as I flagged yesterday
15:15:36 <pdl-ASU> Manu: used Google Draw
15:15:40 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:15:40 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to say the tmg guide has one
15:15:54 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:15:54 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to say the tmg guide has one
15:15:56 <pdl-ASU> Phila: Manu's approach likely will be trend setting for diagramming
15:16:02 <manu> q+
15:16:06 <phila> ack wes-smith
15:16:06 <Zakim> wes-smith, you wanted to ask if we can discuss the forgery defense work on the call today
15:16:07 <manu> q-
15:16:14 <pdl-ASU> Joe: should have a unform language
15:16:32 <phila> Topic: VC Forgery Defense
15:16:33 <TallTed> s/unform/uniform/
15:17:20 <ivan> q+
15:17:49 <phila> ack ivan
15:17:53 <pdl-ASU> Wes: Forgery definse - talked about next steps in F2F. Best thing to do publish this forgery defense as a separate specification. Want to discuss this proposal  publishing forgery defense of a stand alone doc and puiblish it
15:18:03 <pdl-ASU> phila: is it a rec or note?
15:18:13 <pdl-ASU> Wes: it's a req by intent
15:18:16 <ivan> s/definse/defense/
15:19:58 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: we can dop that. When we do it we should present it and sell it to the outside world that it's under the quantum safe crypto suites
15:20:07 <ivan> s/dop/do/
15:20:17 <pdl-ASU> Phila: do we do working draft vote today?
15:20:50 <pdl-ASU> Wes: wants to run a proposal to adopt the document formall and run the FWD
15:21:05 <pdl-ASU> s/FWD/FPWD/
15:21:41 <pdl-ASU> phlla: hoping to copy Manu's style for the threat model as Wes has done great work on it.
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15:21:48 <wes-smith> Suggested proposal: Create a new document, titled Verifiable Credential Forgery Defense 1.0, short name "vc-forgery-defense-1.0", adopt this document in the group (under the VC Barcodes and Data Integrity task force), and publish this document as a first public working draft.
15:21:56 <ivan> present+ dmitriz
15:21:58 <wes-smith> +1
15:22:00 <dmitriz> +1
15:22:33 <pdl-ASU> Phila: the proposal includes a first public working draft- should drop that part as it's not ready yet.
15:22:42 <pdl-ASU> Wes: agreed will split it up
15:23:01 <wes-smith> PROPOSAL: Create a new document, titled Verifiable Credential Forgery Defense 1.0, short name "vc-forgery-defense-1.0", and adopt this document in the group (under the VC Barcodes and Data Integrity task force).
15:23:08 <phila> +1
15:23:14 <manu> +1
15:23:14 <ivan> +1
15:23:14 <wes-smith> +1
15:23:15 <dlongley> +1
15:23:16 <kezike> +1
15:23:16 <michaelshea> +1
15:23:17 <JennieM> +1
15:23:19 <TallTed> +1
15:23:26 <pdl-ASU> +1
15:23:29 <JoeAndrieu> +1
15:23:57 <phila> RESOLVED: Create a new document, titled Verifiable Credential Forgery Defense 1.0, short name "vc-forgery-defense-1.0", and adopt this document in the group (under the VC Barcodes and Data Integrity task force).
15:24:05 <ivan> q+
15:24:14 <phila> ack ivan
15:24:32 <wes-smith> q+
15:24:50 <phila> ack wes-smith
15:25:01 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: should no there is a publication moratorium as of the 3rd of July, if not it will slip until later in July
15:25:19 <pdl-ASU> Wes: If it's ready by next week will that be in time?
15:25:30 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: we can try
15:25:51 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: FPWD's are accepted much more quickly
15:26:15 <pdl-ASU> Wes: will try to get it in shape.
15:26:29 <phila> q?
15:26:30 <pdl-ASU> Phila: the home page news paragraph also needs done
15:27:00 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: today's the 17th, so next week at this meeting we must have the resolution. Can't make the request without that.
15:27:13 <pdl-ASU> Phila: would it be helpful to have the resolution now?
15:27:35 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: We can make a resolution as soon as it's in the right shape now.
15:28:40 <phila> PROPOSAL: The WG seeks to publish the vc-forgery-defense document as a FPWD as soon as it is ready, given that the substantial work is already done.
15:28:38 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: this works
15:28:43 <pdl-ASU> Wes: works for wes
15:28:44 <ivan> +1
15:28:45 <dmitriz> +1
15:28:46 <wes-smith> +1
15:28:47 <TallTed> s/resolution as soon as it's in the right shape now/resolution "as soon as it's in the right shape ..." now/
15:28:47 <pdl-ASU> +1
15:28:47 <JennieM> +1
15:28:48 <phila> +1
15:28:49 <TallTed> +1
15:28:54 <JoeAndrieu> +1
15:28:56 <dlongley> +1
15:28:59 <kezike> +1
15:29:01 <hsano> +1
15:29:07 <phila> RESOLVED: The WG seeks to publish the vc-forgery-defense document as a FPWD as soon as it is ready, given that the substantial work is already done.
15:29:08 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: needs abstract and intro
15:29:17 <michaelshea> +1
15:29:18 <pdl-ASU> Phila: congrats wes
15:29:47 <phila> Topic: Confidence and threat models
15:29:47 <pdl-ASU> Phila: Joe's reflections on the F2F
15:30:34 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: did an exercise with Legos to model threats and responses. Helps you get out of your head and learned a lot from it.
15:31:08 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: scope of work concerns raised.  Simplying the threat model guide is needed
15:32:22 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: the full threat model approach is useful but it's not where the WG is - capturing what the WG is aware of to describe them and their mitigation. Want to keep threat modeling from being more work than the spec.
15:33:26 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: got 33 threats modeled and feedback using the VCALM spec as test case. Confidence Method also has a threat model session. What is the privacy preserving method for biometrics?
15:34:14 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndieu: A photo image was one suggestion, and the other is a biometric template using a service to provide a biometric match and how to secure that
15:34:24 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: this covers the f2f
15:34:43 <pdl-ASU> Phila: what stage will threat modeling be at by TPAC?
15:35:59 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: hesitancy is the level of work (completion, throroughness, etc). Will have something toward an an acceptable draft of the sectiosn for review and discussion for TPAC
15:36:04 <ivan> q+
15:36:08 <phila> ack ivan
15:36:22 <pdl-ASU> phila: hopes to get a  bunch of CRs out after TPAC
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15:36:49 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to say open to horizontal review by TPAC
15:36:52 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:36:52 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to say open to horizontal review by TPAC
15:36:58 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: we need horizontal reviews before going to CRs, not just security but accessibility and internationalization, as well.
15:37:16 <pdl-ASU> JoeAndrieu: hopes to have a draft ready for horizontal review
15:37:23 <pdl-ASU> Ivan: that's more realistic
15:38:04 <pdl-ASU> phila: want's many CRs ready for horizontal review
15:38:05 <phila> Topic: Remote participation
15:38:27 <pdl-ASU> Jenny: interesting to get an overview of the different TFs
15:38:56 <pdl-ASU> Phila: others for feedback?
15:39:38 <pdl-ASU> wes: alot was accomplishe, comparable quality to previous years
15:39:54 <pdl-ASU> s/accomplishe/accomplished/
15:40:05 <wes-smith> s/wes/KevinDean
15:40:46 <pdl-ASU> michaelshea: remote participation was quite good. Content excellent, depth and conversation was really good.
15:41:13 <pdl-ASU> phila: another f2f in may/june of next year under discussion
15:41:43 <pdl-ASU> phila: it was worth it and would be good to have another.
15:41:51 <exe> I do as well think that remote participation was pretty nice
15:42:35 <exe> could not take part in the Lego and Beer most unfortunately, but the hybrid setup in that room was great and I was well able to follow the discussion :)
15:42:13 <phila> Topic: Vocab TF
15:43:32 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: excellent meeting, more productive than she expected. Only vocab person and had discussion about whether this WG was right place for cross border vocab discussions.  Things brought to VCWG because there aren't really other places to do it.
15:44:01 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: should create a registry for VCDM compatible vocabs with use cases
15:45:10 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: on the work itself they now have a scop of work that is clear. Short term: guidance document discussing why using VCs is useful for issuing a DPP use cases is valuable.
15:45:51 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: mid-term goals - test suites for VCDM for example. Want to create a EU compliant VCDM implementation.
15:45:53 <michaelshea> Carolyn, I would be interested in participating in these efforts.
15:46:40 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: Longer-term - decided to postpone decision to another DPP vocab.
15:46:52 <phila> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-credentials/2026Jun/0018.html
15:46:55 <ivan> s/VPD (?)/DPP/
15:47:20 <pdl-ASU> s/decision to/decision to create/
15:47:55 <pdl-ASU> phila: concerns about others addressing DPP
15:47:58 <hsano> https://www.w3.org/community/eudi-4-payments/
15:48:19 <pdl-ASU> Carolynn: how do paymnent wallets relate to credential wallet is unclear.
15:48:45 <ivan> s/paymnent/payment/
15:49:02 <pdl-ASU> phila: dmitri in text mode, - render method will be summarized later
15:49:50 <pdl-ASU> phila: Brent gets together with phila on Monday's to get agenda items together. Trying to insure inclusivity.
15:50:25 <pdl-ASU> phila: congrats to wes, manu, and a great scribe job  ;-)
15:50:29 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes