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13:53:04 <acoburn> acoburn has changed the topic to: Linked Web Storage WG - 2026-06-08 - https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260511T100000/
13:53:10 <acoburn> zakim, start meeting
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13:53:12 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), acoburn
13:53:26 <acoburn> meeting: Linked Web Storage
13:53:30 <acoburn> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260511T100000/#agenda
13:53:30 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:53:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Introductions & Announcements
13:53:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Terminology PR #153
13:53:30 <agendabot> agenda+ totalItems PR #157
13:53:30 <agendabot> agenda+ Test Suite PR #145
13:53:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Upcoming votes
13:53:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Follow-up from Face-to-Face meeting
13:53:37 <agendabot> agenda+ Open Issues
13:53:58 <acoburn> clear agenda
13:54:17 <acoburn> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260608T100000/
13:54:17 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:54:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Introduction & Announcements
13:54:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Vote: Type Index -> PR#115 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115
13:54:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Vote: Terminology -> PR#164 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164
13:54:18 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Auxiliary Resources -> PR#165 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/165  & -> PR#167 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/167
13:54:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Virtual Resources -> Issue#150 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/150
13:54:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Unstable Features -> PR#168 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/168
13:54:27 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Relationship to OAuth2 -> PR#169 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/169
13:54:53 <acoburn> acoburn has changed the topic to: Linked Web Storage WG - 2026-06-08 - https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260608T100000/
13:55:06 <acoburn> chair: acoburn
13:55:15 <acoburn> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-lws-minutes.html acoburn
13:56:35 <acoburn> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/06/01-lws-minutes.html
13:56:39 <TallTed> present+
13:56:48 <acoburn> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/06/15-lws-minutes.html
13:56:53 <acoburn> present+
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13:58:06 <acoburn> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a19ab7dc-1753-433d-bac5-64e3ad8c0a43/20260608T100000/#agenda
13:58:06 <agendabot> clear agenda
13:58:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Introduction & Announcements
13:58:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Vote: Terminology -> PR#164 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164
13:58:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Vote: Type Index -> PR#115 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115
13:58:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Auxiliary Resources -> PR#165 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/165  & -> PR#167 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/167
13:58:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Virtual Resources -> Issue#150 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/150
13:58:13 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Unstable Features -> PR#168 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/168
13:58:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Discussion: Relationship to OAuth2 -> PR#169 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/169
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14:01:51 <termontwouter> I'm joining on the go today, so apologies in advance for the background noise
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14:05:41 <acoburn> zakim, open agendum 1
14:05:41 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Introduction & Announcements -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:06:03 <Luke> acoburn: welcoming introductions and re-introductions
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14:07:17 <bigbluehat> present+
14:07:33 <Luke> bigbluehat: co-chair of JSON-LD, verifiable credentials and overlapping involvement
14:08:05 <acoburn> zakim, open agendum 2
14:08:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Vote: Terminology -> PR#164 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164 -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:09:06 <Luke> acoburn: sharing screen to show PR 164 re: Link terminology to definitions
14:10:11 <Luke> ...: lots of changed lines, but just mechanical to link terms to defs
14:11:22 <Luke> ...: call for vote
14:11:55 <acoburn> PROPOSED: to merge PR https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164 (Link terminology to definitions)
14:11:56 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164 -> Pull Request 164 Link terminology to definitions (by acoburn)
14:12:06 <elf-pavlik> +1
14:12:09 <termontwouter> +1
14:12:10 <eBremer> +1
14:12:12 <jeremycaine> +1
14:12:12 <TallTed> +1
14:12:29 <Luke> +1
14:12:29 <acoburn> +1
14:12:59 <acoburn> RESOLVED: to merge PR https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/164 (Link terminology to definitions)
14:13:13 <Luke> acoburn: vote passes; likely more to come, but will keep the text changes moving
14:13:23 <acoburn> zakim, open agendum 3
14:13:23 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Vote: Type Index -> PR#115 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 -- taken up [from agendabot]
14:14:05 <Luke> ...: sharing screen to show PR 115 re: add Type Index Section
14:14:20 <elf-pavlik> q+ to mention UCR
14:14:27 <Luke> ...: ask for questions/concerns, and where do people stand on implementation
14:14:30 <acoburn> ack next
14:14:31 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to mention UCR
14:15:14 <Luke> elf-pavlik: in review, linked to info about privacy, suggestion about keep connection to UCR for reqs
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14:15:59 <gibsonf1> q+
14:16:09 <Luke> eBremer: linking the use cases; group had decided to have minimal use cases
14:16:30 <Luke> ...: understood to be simple ANDs and ORs to avoid reinventing the wheel
14:16:47 <acoburn> ack next
14:17:16 <Luke> gibsonf1: agree with eBremer about keep spec limited to allow implementation
14:17:45 <Luke> ...: search is not just types, for search, just call it "search" so people can just go with it
14:17:46 <Luke> ...
14:18:01 <acoburn> s/...:/.../
14:18:38 <TallTed> s/...:/.../g
14:18:51 <acoburn> q+ to talk about naming
14:18:53 <gibsonf1> q+
14:19:09 <acoburn> ack next
14:19:09 <Luke> eBremer: agree with gibsonf1 and yield to the group; happy to hear opinions
14:19:10 <Zakim> acoburn, you wanted to talk about naming
14:19:41 <Luke> acoburn: wants to avoid rabbit hole of naming; search is a little too broad of a name for this
14:20:04 <elf-pavlik> q+ to point out that it may not address some use case requirements from related prior work in Solid CG
14:20:10 <Luke> ... defining a particular kind of thing; lots of names we could call this, but "search" is too generic
14:20:22 <acoburn> ack next
14:20:54 <Luke> gibsonf1: don't understand acoburn point on the naming; with respect to a given system it can be different
14:21:19 <Luke> ... with LWS define the minimum search; compare to GET method, which the word means a lot of things
14:22:10 <Luke> ... limiting the naming limits implementations to expand upon these minimal definitions
14:22:15 <acoburn> ack next
14:22:16 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to point out that it may not address some use case requirements from related prior work in Solid CG
14:22:51 <Luke> elf-pavlik: supports merge for draft to work from; type index work in Solid that it may not address all concerns
14:23:15 <Luke> ... such as "Which container can I create these resources in?"
14:23:38 <eBremer> q+
14:23:40 <Luke> acoburn: q for group - continue to discuss or vote?
14:23:52 <acoburn> ack next
14:24:02 <elf-pavlik> q+ jeswr
14:24:32 <Luke> eBremer: proposes deferring naming for later; vote on "is this the kind of functionality we want in the spec?"
14:24:37 <acoburn> ack next
14:25:21 <Luke> jeswr: given this is a feature we have little prior art for, potentially defer on reception of implementations
14:25:24 <gibsonf1> q+
14:25:30 <acoburn> q+ to propose options
14:25:30 <elf-pavlik> q+ to propose merging as separate doc
14:25:36 <acoburn> ack next
14:26:09 <Luke> gibsonf1: agree with eBremer on defer on naming; search impl is done already
14:26:12 <acoburn> ack next
14:26:13 <Zakim> acoburn, you wanted to propose options
14:26:53 <Luke> acoburn: options - vote on merge as-is to spec; jeswr defer or move to ancillary doc;
14:27:19 <gibsonf1> q+
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14:27:47 <Luke> jeswr: yes, search impls exist; not arguing it doesn't exist as functionality, but capabilities vary enough to want desire convergence
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14:28:37 <ryey> present+
14:29:02 <Luke> acoburn: consider ordering - first for jeswr to create proposal text to determine top-down or bottom-up model for definition to bring into the spec
14:29:32 <Luke> ... rephrasing - does this need more incubation? Is that the first vote?
14:29:41 <acoburn> q?
14:29:50 <elf-pavlik> +1 to more incubation
14:30:13 <acoburn> ack gibsonf
14:30:43 <Luke> gibsonf1: lowest-level search implemented (including type and internal content); works great
14:31:16 <Luke> ... don't have type index, but fairly easy to implement; don't yet do JSON-LD per spec
14:31:27 <acoburn> ack next
14:31:28 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to propose merging as separate doc
14:32:17 <gibsonf1> q+  to ask how do you define incubation?
14:32:33 <Luke> elf-pavlik: consideration for continued incubation based on implementations, but suggest merging PR somewhere to close current discussion
14:33:05 <jeremycaine> q+
14:33:12 <Luke> acoburn: first vote for more incubation for this PR
14:33:14 <acoburn> Vote: does the type index PR https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 need more incubation?
14:33:14 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 -> Pull Request 115 add Type Index Section (by ebremer)
14:33:21 <gibsonf1> -1
14:33:21 <elf-pavlik> +1
14:33:24 <acoburn> +1
14:33:36 <jeremycaine> +1
14:33:36 <TallTed> +0
14:33:39 <termontwouter> +0
14:33:41 <eBremer> +0
14:34:28 <ryey> +0
14:34:48 <Luke> +1
14:35:12 <Luke> acoburn: clarifying the potential outcomes on the vote
14:35:47 <elf-pavlik> q+ to provide another example why I see need for more incubation
14:36:08 <Luke> ... straw poll is inconclusive; new proposal for merging this PR as-is incoming
14:36:19 <acoburn> PROPOSAL: to amend https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 to be merged as a separate document
14:36:28 <elf-pavlik> +1
14:36:36 <termontwouter> +1
14:36:37 <jeremycaine> +1
14:36:38 <acoburn> +1
14:36:41 <eBremer> +1
14:36:43 <gibsonf1> +1
14:36:45 <Luke> +1
14:36:46 <ryey> +1
14:37:06 <acoburn> RESOLVED: to amend https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 to be merged as a separate document
14:37:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/115 -> Pull Request 115 add Type Index Section (by ebremer)
14:37:27 <TallTed> q+
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14:37:38 <acoburn> ack next
14:37:39 <Zakim> gibsonf, you wanted to ask how do you define incubation?
14:37:40 <Luke> acoburn: request to push to separate document
14:38:21 <Luke> gibsonf1: point of incubation may need discussion about meaning and consequences of anything in incubation being in spec
14:38:47 <Luke> acoburn: this particular PR has some need of additional feedback due to auth
14:38:47 <acoburn> ack next
14:38:50 <gibsonf1> q+ to point out authorization with search
14:39:52 <Luke> jeremycaine: when multiple considerations are present it is difficult to vote; awareness of multiple questions would make voting more informed
14:40:39 <Luke> acoburn: goal is next step to ask question is should it be merged into main or remain separated
14:40:42 <acoburn> ack next
14:40:43 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to provide another example why I see need for more incubation
14:41:35 <Luke> elf-pavlik: re: incubation as working further; now we can look for additional art or concerned parties as consideration
14:41:54 <acoburn> ack next
14:42:30 <Luke> TallTed: lots of comments on the PR are unaddressed, maybe because of clarity
14:42:36 <elf-pavlik> Github allows crating issues from comments in PR
14:42:58 <Luke> ... comments being left open doesn't lend itself to a merge
14:43:29 <Luke> ... prior Solid implementations do not (should not) equate to LWS implementations
14:44:14 <Luke> ... reframing as LWS is a necessity for interoperable spec so implementations are equivalent
14:44:26 <elf-pavlik> q+ to ask about known implementations besides Samu's sample implementation in C# and possibly Inrupt's server
14:44:57 <Luke> ... detach implementation details from the spec (SPARQL, SQL, etc.)
14:45:19 <acoburn> ack next
14:45:20 <Zakim> gibsonf, you wanted to point out authorization with search
14:45:45 <Luke> gibsonf1: all comments on PR is just about renaming; all others have been resolved
14:46:29 <Luke> ... re: implementation details - auth has been resolved with solution; auth has to sit between client and implementation
14:46:35 <acoburn> ack next
14:46:36 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to ask about known implementations besides Samu's sample implementation in C# and possibly Inrupt's server
14:47:02 <Luke> elf-pavlik: would it help to keep track of implementations? Single place to keep track of them.
14:47:53 <Luke> acoburn: requests elf-pavlik to keep track of just type search implementations
14:48:14 <Luke> elf-pavlik: interested in general impl, but will do type search specific also
14:48:37 <acoburn> action: elf-pavlik to open an issue to track implementation feedback on the type search feature
14:48:45 <gb> Created -> action #170 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/issues/170
14:49:03 <Luke> acoburn: aux resources discussion
14:49:03 <acoburn> zakim, open agendum 4
14:49:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Discussion: Auxiliary Resources -> PR#165 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/165  & -> PR#167 https://github.com/w3c/lws-protocol/pull/167 -- taken up [from
14:49:06 <Zakim> ... agendabot]
14:49:55 <Luke> ... competing PRs 165 and 167; requests termontwouter to discuss
14:51:07 <Luke> termontwouter: update from last week - checked linkset requirement; seems like the PRS are saying the same thing with different words
14:51:17 <elf-pavlik> q+ to ask about examples
14:51:23 <acoburn> ack next
14:51:24 <Zakim> elf-pavlik, you wanted to ask about examples
14:51:55 <jeremycaine> q+
14:52:01 <Luke> elf-pavlik: adding a few examples (e.g. - client discovery); user scenarios to be mapped potentially to test suite
14:52:18 <termontwouter> q+ on examples
14:52:43 <Luke> acoburn: both could use examples, even just comments; terminology is covered, but examples would help
14:52:43 <acoburn> ack next
14:53:30 <Luke> jeremycaine: suggestion to address long-running PRs - cancel PRs and work together to create a new, simplified version to avoid duplication of discussion?
14:54:02 <elf-pavlik> +1 to keep two PRs for the group discussion
14:54:06 <Luke> acoburn: alternative suggestion is that folks weigh-in on proposals to help
14:54:22 <acoburn> ack next
14:54:24 <Zakim> termontwouter, you wanted to comment on examples
14:55:07 <elf-pavlik> q+
14:55:08 <Luke> termontwouter: took some time to write an example out, but it doesn't change anything
14:55:40 <Luke> acoburn: if the examples end up being the same, great, differences in expression are okay; propose voting next week
14:55:41 <acoburn> ack next
14:55:56 <Luke> elf-pavlik: clarifying which examples are the same
14:56:37 <Luke> termontwouter: writing a fictional example just re-iterates the spec requests/responses
14:57:02 <Luke> elf-pavlik: understood this as a different interactions
14:57:33 <Luke> termontwouter: no functional difference between the two PRs to differentiate with examples
14:57:42 <Luke> acoburn: continue this discussion at beginning of next meeting
14:57:54 <jeremycaine> q+ very quick aob
14:58:05 <acoburn> ack next
14:58:39 <elf-pavlik> jeremycaine you can add to batch
14:58:41 <Luke> jeremycaine: see commentary on PR, does applying suggestion accept them?
14:58:47 <Luke> acoburn: yes
14:59:01 <Luke> TallTed: options for comment-by-comment or batch commit
14:59:19 <Luke> acoburn: demonstrating on-screen how to apply
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15:00:13 <acoburn> present+ jeswr
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