07:55:16 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #dxwg
07:55:21 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-dxwg-irc
07:55:21 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
07:55:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), antoine
07:55:55 <antoine> Scribe: antoine
07:56:30 <antoine> Meeting: DXWG kick-off meeting
07:57:28 <antoine> rrsagent, please generate minutes
07:57:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
08:00:07 <antoine> present+
08:00:44 <pchampin> agendabot, find agenda
08:01:04 <agendabot> agendabot has joined #dxwg
08:01:06 <pchampin> agendabot, find agenda
08:01:07 <agendabot> pchampin, sorry, I don't know which mailing list or calendar is associated with this channel. Try "agendabot, help this is".
08:01:19 <nicholascar> nicholascar has joined #dxwg
08:01:21 <pchampin> agendabot, help this is
08:01:23 <agendabot> pchampin, if you say "agendabot, this is xyz", I will remember the calendar "group/wg/xyz" (or similar), and the mailing list "xyz" (or "public-xyz", "www-xyz", "member-xyz", "w3c-xyz" or "team-xyz" or "w3t-xyz", whichever I can find and read) and use it to search for agendas. You can also give the
08:01:23 <agendabot> … URL: "agendabot this is https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xyz/". Multiple lists is also possible. Just separate the names or URLs with commas or with the word "and".
08:01:31 <nicholascar> present+
08:01:37 <antoine> Scribe: pchampin
08:02:59 <csarven> csarven has joined #dxwg
08:03:02 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/73d64c5d-ddb9-4c7f-a9f8-35a1f5c408ef/
08:03:03 <agendabot> clear agenda
08:03:03 <agendabot> agenda+ preamble
08:03:03 <agendabot> agenda+ tour de table (short introductions, expectations)
08:03:03 <agendabot> agenda+ recurring meeting slot
08:03:03 <agendabot> agenda+ physical meeting
08:03:04 <pchampin> scribe+
08:03:05 <agendabot> agenda+ AOB
08:03:09 <csarven> present+
08:03:15 <nicholascar> present+
08:03:18 <simon> simon has joined #dxwg
08:03:30 <amerono> amerono has joined #dxwg
08:03:37 <pwin> pwin has joined #dxwg
08:03:38 <pchampin> zakim, open item 1
08:03:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- preamble -- taken up [from agendabot]
08:04:14 <Dan> Dan has joined #dxwg
08:04:21 <pchampin> FranckCotton: welcome everybody to the first meeting on the newly chartered Dataset Exchange Working Group
08:04:58 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
08:04:58 <Zakim> Present: antoine, nicholascar, csarven
08:05:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see Dan, pwin, amerono, simon, csarven, nicholascar, agendabot, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, pchampin, rhiaro
08:05:44 <pchampin> ... the group was rechartered following discussions between W3C and the DDI Alliance
08:05:52 <antoine> present+ dan, pwin, simon
08:05:54 <pchampin> ... https://www.ddialliance.org/
08:06:21 <pchampin> ... The DDI Alliance published data-related specifications
08:06:32 <antoine> present+ amerono
08:07:02 <pchampin> ... the idea was to bring together expertise of both, to enrich DCAT for different kinds of datasets
08:07:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #dxwg
08:07:37 <Franck> Franck has joined #dxwg
08:08:03 <antoine> present+ Franck, RiccardoAlbertoni
08:08:09 <pchampin> ... our main deliverable is the Vocabulary Variable Description (tentatively called VVD, pronounced "vivid")
08:08:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
08:08:31 <FranckM> FranckM has joined #dxwg
08:08:40 <pchampin> ... other tentative deliverables, including Profile-related secifications and Data Quality Vocabulary
08:09:05 <pchampin> ... we might want to setup task forces, we will discuss this in due time
08:09:31 <antoine> s/secifications/specifications
08:09:31 <pchampin> ... Some initial work on VVD was done during the DDI seminar in Dagstuhl, last yer
08:09:46 <pchampin> s/last yer/last year
08:10:01 <pchampin> ... for this purpose a Community Group was created
08:10:10 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/community/datadoc/
08:10:10 <antoine> Use cases draft: https://w3c-cg.github.io/datadoc/use-cases/overview.html
08:10:10 <antoine> VVD draft: https://w3c-cg.github.io/datadoc/vvd-spec.html
08:10:11 <pchampin> Use cases draft: https://w3c-cg.github.io/datadoc/use-cases/overview.html
08:10:43 <pchampin> s|Use cases draft: https://w3c-cg.github.io/datadoc/use-cases/overview.html|
08:11:23 <pchampin> FranckCotton: let everyone introduce themselves, describing where they come from and what their expectations from this group are
08:12:01 <pchampin> ... I start: I worked at INSEE, the French Institute for Statistics, with different hat, lately in statistical metadata
08:12:16 <Dan> Best if you call on people
08:12:41 <pchampin> ... Some of you may know me as one of the organizers of the Semantics Statistics workshop at ISWC; others may know me from Dagstuhl seminars
08:12:56 <pchampin> ... I'm completely new to W3C, bear with me :)
08:13:18 <pchampin> ... My expectation is for the group to deliver what's on our charter
08:14:23 <pchampin> amerono: Albert Menono, Kings College London
08:14:56 <pchampin> ... I have done work on related W3C standards: Data Cube, CSVW, Linked Data Notifications
08:15:20 <pchampin> ... I was also involved in the DDI Alliance Dagstuhl workshop that bootstrapped this work
08:15:41 <pchampin> ... I sit at the intersection between W3C, DDI Alliance, and also Croissant
08:15:53 <pchampin> ... https://docs.mlcommons.org/croissant/
08:15:55 <Franck> Franck has joined #dxwg
08:16:27 <pchampin> ... I think out work here can have an impact on Croissant
08:16:51 <pchampin> ... I recently got a grant on "Data for Social"; goal is to make datasets more transparents and "AI ready"
08:17:41 <pchampin> antoine: Antoine Isaac, great to see you all; I'm affiliated with the Free University in Amsterdam,
08:17:51 <pchampin> ... main work on Europeana, in the Digital Heritage domain
08:18:08 <pchampin> ... noth organizations are based in the Netherland, but I'm based in France
08:18:43 <pchampin> ... I've been involved in W3C work for ~20 years, including the previous iteration of the DXWG
08:18:59 <pchampin> ... I've been involved with RiccardoAlbertoni in the making of the Data Quality Vocabulary
08:19:42 <pchampin> ... My interest in not so much about statistics, more about general dataset descriptions, aligning all the things that are floating around
08:20:26 <pchampin> ... Coincidentally, I'm working on adapting Data Sheets for cultural heritage, need to talk with amerono
08:20:42 <antoine> pchampin: I'm on the W3C teams for over 5 years now
08:21:20 <antoine> ... team contact of previous DXWG and invited to Dagtsuhl seminar so worked on re-starting the WG with DDI
08:21:36 <antoine> ... I'm still going to be the team contact, and help with process and delivery of specs
08:22:13 <antoine> s/W3C teams/W3C Team/
08:22:16 <pchampin> Dan: Dan Gillman, retired from the US Bureau of Statistics
08:22:33 <pchampin> ... involved with metadata things for many years; one of the key developers of the CDI standard under DDI Alliance
08:22:48 <pchampin> ... I happened to be at the meeting where Data Cube was initially planned
08:23:04 <pchampin> ... not much W3C experience
08:23:17 <simon> Dan was at Bureau of Labor Statistics
08:23:53 <pchampin> ... I hope to contribute as much as I can
08:24:42 <pchampin> FranckM: Franck Michel, engineer at CNRS (French Center for Scientific Research) and INRIA
08:24:58 <pchampin> ... my background is in the Semantic Web community, thesis on Knowledge Graph construction
08:25:15 <pchampin> ... W3C experience in the Knowledge Graph Community Group
08:25:40 <pchampin> ... some experience in publishing RDF Knowledge Graph, using DCAT, VOID, SPARQL service descriptions, Data Cube
08:26:07 <pchampin> ... I met some of you in Dagstuhl last year; my interest is to make datasets truly actionable
08:26:25 <pchampin> ... with accurate complete description of the variables
08:26:41 <pchampin> ... I will be an editor of the VVD specification
08:27:24 <pchampin> csarven: Sarven Capadisli, member of the W3C Technical Architecture Group
08:27:57 <pchampin> ... I have been an editor of various W3C specifications, I worked in the Government Linked Data group that published the Data Cube vocabulary
08:28:39 <pchampin> ... worked on publishing various datasets, also published research papers on that topic
08:29:02 <pchampin> ... I also contributed to the DDI RDF vocabulary
08:29:34 <pchampin> ... I organized workshop on Semantics Statistics; I joined this group because it has long been a passion of mine
08:30:00 <pchampin> ... I want to make these things more tangible for end-users; linked to my project Dokieli
08:30:11 <pchampin> ... https://dokie.li/
08:30:34 <pchampin> ... I'd be happy to contribute as an editor of Data Cube
08:30:55 <csarven> I'm https://csarven.ca/#i
08:31:10 <pchampin> RiccardoAlbertoni: Ricardo Albertoni, Institude of Maths and Technology of the Italian CNR
08:31:25 <pchampin> ... involved in Knowledge Graphs, reproducibility in AI context
08:31:53 <pchampin> ... I have been one of the editors of DCAT
08:32:03 <pchampin> ... I'm also one of the editors of DQV
08:32:07 <csarven> s|Capadisli |Capadisli - https://csarven.ca/#i
08:32:12 <pchampin> ... I expect to contribute to the maintenance of DCAT
08:32:48 <pchampin> ... as well as to update the Data Quality Vocabulary
08:33:08 <pchampin> ... I'm open to collaborate and contribute to other deliverables
08:33:47 <pchampin> simon: Simon Cox, retired from the Australian Applied Research org
08:33:48 <csarven> s|various datasets|various stats datasets via https://270a.info/
08:34:03 <pchampin> ... I've continued to doubled on a lot of things, inc. the W3C revision of the SSN ontology
08:34:31 <pchampin> ... also a co-editors of DCAT 2 and 3 (although Riccardo was the driving force in DCAT 3)
08:34:50 <pchampin> ... my background is in natural sciences, mostly environmental and geological
08:35:06 <pchampin> ... my interest is in keeping DCAT and the associated standards connected to the work done in natural sciences
08:35:47 <pchampin> ... I noticed some omissions around the VVD input documents, I'll put them on the table
08:36:00 <pchampin> <pchampin> +1 that's what the WG is about :)
08:36:08 <csarven> s|end-users|end-users in the context of credibility assessment
08:36:18 <pchampin> pwin: Peter Winstanley, based in Scotland
08:36:28 <simon> I-ADOPT from RDA and the envsci community
08:36:54 <pchampin> ... I'm very grateful to everybody here; I co-chaired the DXWG for a number of years, I'm delighted to see people taking over
08:37:28 <pchampin> ... I worked on government data, big data cube, resisting to use DCAT
08:38:12 <pchampin> ... other member states in the EU were moving; nice to see the US government pick up DCAT 3
08:38:24 <pchampin> ... then I worked several years with Semantic Arts
08:39:10 <pchampin> ... hopefully my experience gathered there can be useful for the group; business faces the same sort of challenges as government w.r.t. data datalogs
08:39:47 <pchampin> ... academic papers sometimes ignores things that matter in the business world (e.g. Dolce vs. Gist)
08:40:53 <pchampin> ... people who don't necessarily know much about RDF have influence in enterprises
08:41:24 <pchampin> ... we need to get penetration in the core parts of society, not only academia
08:41:34 <csarven> s|on that topic|on that topic https://csarven.ca/linked-research-decentralised-web
08:42:30 <Dan> Standards we work on re voluntary. How do we "guarantee" adoption?
08:42:44 <pchampin> ... e.g. make something as pervasive as USB-C
08:43:19 <pchampin> nicholascar: Nicholas Car, based in Brisbane, Australia
08:43:38 <pchampin> ... I used to be in simon's research group, moved in the private sector
08:44:05 <pchampin> ... I was involved in the previous DX WG, also as an implementor in the PROV and the Sparial Data on the web WGS
08:44:14 <pchampin> ... currently an editor on the Data Shapes WG
08:44:24 <csarven> s|Semantic Statistics https://semstats.org/
08:44:30 <pchampin> ... link between SHACL-profiling and the Profile deliverables of this group
08:44:34 <csarven> s|Semantic Statistics|Semantic Statistics https://semstats.org/
08:44:48 <pchampin> ... also involved in the OTC and the ISO
08:45:52 <pchampin> ... I have a strong interest in the Profile deliverable, but also in cataloguing in general
08:46:27 <pchampin> ... I have prepared a bit of a plan for moving from tentative deliverables to real deliverables, with people ready to work as editors
08:46:36 <pchampin> ... keen to share that in a future meeting
08:48:11 <pchampin> Joaquin: Joaquin Luciano Salvachua Rodriguez, Polytechnic university of Madrid
08:48:31 <pchampin> ... working on semantic interoperability, with DCAT (although I was not active in this group)
08:48:37 <pchampin> ... I have been more active in the ODRL group
08:49:07 <pchampin> Jakub: Jakub Klimek, working with the Czec government
08:49:25 <pchampin> ... on the government catalogs with DCAT, DCAT-AP and our specific profile of that
08:49:42 <pchampin> ... working on that I realized that the specification is not as machine readable as it could be
08:50:35 <pchampin> ... one of my goal is to improve the way DCAT (but possibly other specs) can be machine readable
08:50:50 <pchampin> ... I recently joined Semic, working on Geo-DCAT-AP and Stat-DCAT-AP
08:51:09 <pchampin> ... Also some overlap with the Data-Cube vocabulary
08:51:33 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
08:51:33 <Zakim> Present: antoine, nicholascar, csarven, dan, pwin, simon, amerono, Franck, RiccardoAlbertoni
08:51:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see FranckM, RiccardoAlbertoni, Dan, pwin, amerono, simon, csarven, nicholascar, agendabot, RRSAgent, Zakim, antoine, pchampin, rhiaro
08:52:05 <pchampin> FranckCotton: this took longer than I expected, but it was really interesting to get everybody's perspective
08:52:11 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
08:52:11 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- tour de table (short introductions, expectations) -- taken up [from agendabot]
08:52:18 <pchampin> zakim, close item2
08:52:18 <Zakim> agendum 2, tour de table (short introductions, expectations), closed
08:52:19 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
08:52:19 <Zakim> 3. recurring meeting slot [from agendabot]
08:52:20 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
08:52:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- recurring meeting slot -- taken up [from agendabot]
08:52:42 <pchampin> FranckCotton: we had a poll for the timeslot of the recurring meeting
08:53:06 <pchampin> ...  it is obviously hard to find a slot that work for everyone
08:53:08 <nicholascar> s|an editor on the Data Shapes WG|a co-chair of the Data Shapes EG
08:53:31 <pchampin> ... the least bad option seems to be Thursday 10am Boston time
08:53:32 <antoine> present+ Franck Cotton, Jakub Klimek, Joaquin Luciano Salvachua Rodriguez
08:54:18 <pchampin> ... not ideal for people in Australia, but as discussed earlier, we can't expect to have everybody all the time
08:54:36 <pchampin> ... I suggest we start with a weekly meeting, we might cancel some calls during the summer
08:55:02 <pchampin> which would bring the next meeting on 18 June
08:55:21 <simon> 10am Boston will be midnight here, so I unfortunately won't be able to participate in meetings.
08:56:08 <simon> In the other season it will be 02:00 so even worse ...
08:57:27 <antoine> q+
08:57:28 <simon> s/OTC/OGC/
08:58:35 <pchampin> pchampin: W3C meetings are anchored in Boston time, which matters for Daylight Saving Time. Use the W3C calendar https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/calendar/
08:58:55 <simon> (not expecting to be heavily involved so my preferences are secondary)
08:59:09 <pchampin> FranckCotton: we should also plan a physical F2F, possibly during TPAC in Dublin in October
08:59:19 <pchampin> q?
08:59:20 <nicholascar> W3C should use Brisbane time - no daylight savings here!
08:59:38 <pchampin> ... I sent a Doodle, please respond to this
09:00:01 <pchampin> antoine: about the online calls; as Franck said, this is an important topic for us chairs
09:00:38 <pchampin> ... we wouldn't want to have a vicious circle where people's involvement decreases because their choices are not considered
09:01:07 <pchampin> ... we are still figuring this out; this will not be easy
09:01:14 <pchampin> ... but we don't want to exclude anyone
09:01:44 <pwin> thanks Franck!
09:01:46 <pchampin> FranckCotton: thank you everyone for participating; see you on 18 June
09:02:26 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
09:02:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-dxwg-minutes.html pchampin
09:02:45 <simon> SSN group meets at 11:00 UTC
09:03:33 <simon> then everyone switches only one hour with the season
09:03:53 <simon> bye
09:04:59 <pchampin> i|let everyone introduce themselves|topic: introductions
09:05:29 <pchampin> s/agendum 2, tour de table (short introductions, expectations), closed/
09:05:31 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
09:05:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-dxwg-minutes.html pchampin
09:06:45 <pchampin> s/agendum 2 -- tour de table (short introductions, expectations) -- taken up [from agendabot]/
09:06:46 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
09:06:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/08-dxwg-minutes.html pchampin