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15:56:47 <AndyS> zakim, start meeting
15:56:47 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:56:48 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndyS
15:56:59 <AndyS> meeting: RDF and SPARQL Working Group
15:57:11 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260604T120000/#agenda
15:57:20 <AndyS> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260604T120000/#agenda
15:57:20 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:57:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Feedback from Threat Modeling Plenary session
15:57:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:57:22 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:57:25 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/5
15:57:28 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:57:41 <AndyS> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/05/28-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:41 <AndyS> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/06/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:48 <pfps> present+
15:57:58 <AndyS> present+
15:58:09 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
15:58:10 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:58:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
15:58:18 <AndyS> agenda?
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16:01:07 <ktk> regrets+ AZ, Dominik_T
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16:02:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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16:03:01 <ora> present+
16:03:01 <ora> chair+
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16:03:25 <TallTed> s|https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260604T120000/#agenda||
16:03:27 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
16:03:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of minutes from the last two meetings: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html  -> 2 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/28-rdf-star-minutes.html --
16:03:31 <Zakim> ... taken up [from agendabot]
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16:03:53 <pchampin> present+
16:03:54 <Souri> present+
16:03:54 <pfps> minutes are acceptable (but last week's is not great)
16:03:59 <lisp> present+
16:04:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:04:52 <pchampin> I can fix that
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16:05:23 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 2026-05-21 and 2026-05-28
16:05:25 <pfps> +0.5 (+1 with fix)
16:05:26 <niklasl> +1
16:05:27 <ora> +1
16:05:30 <fsasaki> +1
16:05:30 <doerthe> +1
16:05:31 <Souri> +1
16:05:32 <AndyS> +1
16:05:33 <william-vw> +1
16:05:43 <tl> +1
16:05:43 <ktk> +1
16:05:43 <tl> present+
16:05:43 <gtw> +1
16:05:43 <TallTed> s|https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260604T120000/#agenda||
16:05:43 <TallTed> s|agenda:|agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260604T120000/#agenda|
16:05:50 <lisp> +1
16:05:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:06:01 <olaf> +0 (didn't attend)
16:06:07 <Tpt> +1
16:06:10 <pchampin> +1
16:06:19 <TallTed> +1 for 5/28, +0 for 5/21
16:06:30 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 2026-05-21 and 2026-05-28
16:06:30 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Feedback from Threat Modeling Plenary session -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:26 <doerthe> ktk: the meeting was a two hour discussion, quite academic at the beginning, explanation where we fit in, a lot of details
16:09:12 <doerthe> .. in my opinion: it is as complicated as we make it, we should not try to make a thread model for the RDF as a whole
16:09:28 <william-vw> s|thread|threat
16:09:31 <doerthe> .. so we should do it separated
16:09:33 <pchampin> q+
16:09:47 <ora> ack pchampin
16:10:29 <doerthe> pchampin: I agree with ktk, I had some more discussions afterwards within W3C, we should make it simple
16:10:45 <doerthe> .. we should make diagrams much more focussed
16:11:33 <AndyS> q+
16:11:37 <doerthe> .. goal should be to refrain what we already have into this new framework. I think that we could do a single document where we could all point to
16:11:38 <ora> ack AndyS
16:12:33 <pchampin> q+
16:12:55 <doerthe> AndyS: pchampin helped to keep the focus, there were 10 experts on the topic who were very interested in the details, we should still keep it simple
16:13:21 <ora> ack pchampin
16:14:33 <doerthe> pchampin: the json-ld working group is also active, they will take care of json-ld. We will not have to tackle it. JSON-ld depends on external date
16:14:53 <william-vw> s|external date|external data
16:14:56 <pchampin> good to know, thanks :)
16:15:00 <TallTed> q+
16:15:06 <ora> ack TallTed
16:15:20 <doerthe> AndyS: the JSON-LD issue even comes up in automatic scans
16:16:15 <doerthe> TallTed: There is a push to align JSON-LD 1.2 with RDF and SPARQL 1.2. Version numbers do not line up
16:16:56 <doerthe> .. maybe we could have a JSON 1.12 or similar and then later on align with RDF 1.2
16:17:33 <pchampin> q+
16:18:01 <doerthe> .. it was discussed in an issue
16:18:06 <ora> ack pchampin
16:19:10 <doerthe> pchampin: I am aware of the issue. It was a choice of the JSON-LD working group to not align yet
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16:19:49 <doerthe> .. it is not ideal, but it is not easy to align all version numbers, whihc is why they opted against it
16:19:57 <Souri> present+
16:20:01 <william-vw> s|whihc|which
16:20:15 <doerthe> ora: they have to state that there is no meaningful connection between version numbers
16:20:22 <doerthe> .. next step?
16:20:38 <pchampin> q+
16:20:44 <ora> ack pchampin
16:21:13 <doerthe> pchampin: I will try to make more focussed diagrams, help welcome
16:21:35 <doerthe> .. I plan to do that in the coming weeks
16:21:43 <doerthe> ktk: I can review
16:22:27 <ktk> q?
16:22:31 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:22:31 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:22:48 <TallTed> q+
16:22:51 <pchampin> i|I am aware of the issue|https://github.com/w3c/json-ld-syntax/issues/488
16:22:59 <ora> ack TallTed
16:23:31 <doerthe> TallTed: github has new views, maybe we can use that
16:23:44 <pchampin> q+
16:24:15 <ora> ack pchampin
16:24:55 <doerthe> pchampin: I added the comments, TallTad moved them to a visible place, we can use it
16:29:03 <doerthe> ora: I asked the ISWC (190) organizers but got no response so far
16:29:17 <doerthe> .. I will ping them
16:29:38 <pchampin> reviews were due today, so yes, maybe ping them in a week or so :)
16:30:21 <doerthe> AndyS: I did 3 PRs (#190)
16:30:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/190 -> Action 190 email the ISWC organizers (on rdfguy) due 2026-05-21
16:30:24 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:30:24 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of open PRs, available at -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:41:38 <doerthe> ora: let's talk about https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/20, did we already talk about it
16:41:39 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-new/pull/20 -> Pull Request 20 the version published on GH pages must not be formatted as a DNOTE (by pchampin)
16:41:59 <doerthe> pchampin: pretty straight forward, I think we can merge
16:42:17 <doerthe> ora: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/260 ?
16:42:18 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/260 -> Pull Request 260 Beginning of manifest validations using SHACL (by Tpt)
16:42:57 <doerthe> ThomasTanon: I still need to finish it
16:43:24 <doerthe> ora: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/296 ?
16:43:25 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/296 -> Pull Request 296 More testing of triple terms in RDF/XML (by afs)
16:44:08 <doerthe> AndyS: we need a new policy for RDF-XML, here we need a decision
16:44:35 <doerthe> .. same for https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/301
16:44:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/301 -> Pull Request 301 RDF/XML: add a test to make sure the parser fails on unknown rdf:parseType value (by Tpt)
16:45:34 <doerthe> ora: what does the spec say at the moment?
16:46:05 <doerthe> AndyS: unknown terms are parsed as literals
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16:46:35 <doerthe> .. we need to discuss with jerven, to better know what to do
16:46:41 <AndyS> s/as literals/as RDF XMLliterals/
16:47:09 <doerthe> ora: https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/327 ?
16:47:09 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/327 -> Pull Request 327 Clarify that unaggregated variables in SELECT raise an error (by Tpt) [spec:bug]
16:47:57 <doerthe> .. what is preventing this from being merged?
16:48:16 <doerthe> AndyS: it is not clear what the spec says
16:48:43 <doerthe> .. these are long-term issues we have to sort out, but maybe they do not have priority
16:49:23 <doerthe> ora: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 ?
16:49:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275 -> Pull Request 275 add note about sets of quads vs. dataset (by pchampin)
16:50:12 <doerthe> pchampin: I updated it and it has less details now to avoid confusion
16:51:37 <ora> q?
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16:55:53 <doerthe> AndyS: can I get approvals for https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/383 ?
16:55:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/sparql-query/pull/383 -> Pull Request 383 GH-382: Move numeric escape sequences into the grammar (by afs)
16:58:49 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:58:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:00:09 <ktk> s/focussed/focused/
17:00:28 <ktk> s/TallTad/TallTed/
17:00:39 <ktk> s/straight forward/straightforward/
17:00:48 <ktk> s/RDF XMLliterals/RDF XML literals/
17:00:54 <ktk> s/json-ld/JSON-LD/g
17:01:02 <ktk> s/JSON-ld/JSON-LD/g
17:01:14 <ktk> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
17:01:52 <ktk> s/focussed/focused/g
17:02:51 <ktk> s/refrain/reframe/
17:02:54 <ktk> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:02:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/06/04-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
17:03:56 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
17:03:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items