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14:12:52 <ivan> Meeting: Verifiable Credentials Working Group Telco
14:12:52 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/d811d954-dd65-4cce-844a-53dfd95e75c7/20260527T110000/
14:12:52 <ivan> chair: brentz
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15:03:51 <JoeAndrieu> phila: good day everyone
15:03:52 <ivan> present+ elaine
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15:04:06 <ivan> present+ wip
15:04:16 <elaine> i have no mic :(  but am present
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15:04:20 <JoeAndrieu> phila: no one new here.
15:04:29 <JoeAndrieu> ... all we're planning to do here is to talk about next week
15:04:33 <JoeAndrieu> ... in Brussels
15:05:01 <JoeAndrieu> ... and a quick round up with Task Forces
15:05:05 <manu> q+
15:05:05 <JoeAndrieu> ... Anything to add?
15:05:10 <phila> ack manu
15:05:19 <JoeAndrieu> manu: the quantum resistant spec people picked a name
15:05:27 <JoeAndrieu> ... I'd like to put that in front of the group
15:05:33 <JoeAndrieu> phila: sure.
15:05:47 <JoeAndrieu> ... So just a bit of time about next week's meeting.
15:05:56 <JoeAndrieu> ... for some, that's a remote participation. for some face to face
15:06:10 <JoeAndrieu> ... should be fully able to join, modulo timezones
15:06:38 <JoeAndrieu> ... We've given the address. There's a person at reception who should expect you.
15:06:46 <JoeAndrieu> ... Go to fifth floor (they'll know that)
15:07:00 <elaine> yes
15:07:02 <JoeAndrieu> ... Is it still the case that the barcode & data integrity group want to meet Monday afternoon
15:07:17 <ivan> present+ kezike
15:07:20 <JoeAndrieu> ... Yes, it is. Great. I'll see you on Monday afternoon
15:07:28 <ivan> present+ jennie
15:07:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... Set for 2pm local time
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15:07:45 <JoeAndrieu> ... Then we kick off properly tuesday morning
15:07:48 <phila> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-0OXOR5NsY-OlC0i26mCDK45B15j2BfkL8f2CIY30E/edit?gid=0#gid=0
15:07:50 <kezike> present+
15:07:51 <JoeAndrieu> ... a small change in the agenda
15:08:23 <JoeAndrieu> ... the thing that got switched around, which I'm concerned about, because Susanna is able to join on Wed morning
15:08:33 <JoeAndrieu> ... The problem is the other person, can't be there Wed
15:08:38 <JoeAndrieu> Caroline: Yes, I can.
15:08:45 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Great! That fixes that.
15:08:51 <KevinDean> q+
15:08:55 <phila> ack KevinDean
15:08:58 <ivan> s/Caroline/Carolynn/
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15:09:05 <JoeAndrieu> KevinDean: I might be able to join remotely for DPP
15:09:07 <ivan> present+ Carolynn
15:09:28 <JoeAndrieu> phila: the agenda was worked out primarily based on timezone of remote participants
15:09:37 <JoeAndrieu> ... that's why Confidence Method is AM and render method is afternoon
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15:09:57 <JoeAndrieu> ... Do take a quick look. Is there anything there that is going to upset anyone?
15:10:07 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: How can we see the agenda?
15:10:12 <JoeAndrieu> Phila: in the chat?
15:10:13 <ivan> present+ mccown
15:10:21 <phila> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1h-0OXOR5NsY-OlC0i26mCDK45B15j2BfkL8f2CIY30E/edit?gid=0#gid=0
15:10:25 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: I see a link ...
15:10:34 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: Ah... now I see it.
15:10:51 <JoeAndrieu> phila: a couple other things. a relatively small group
15:11:06 <JoeAndrieu> ... the bad news is there is no cleaner. we are the cleaners.
15:11:12 <JoeAndrieu> ... WE put the plates in the dishwasher
15:11:32 <JoeAndrieu> ... The upside, when it gets to social event, GS1 is going to pay for that
15:11:56 <JoeAndrieu> ... Pay for the entry ticket. Not all the food, but the museum ticket.
15:11:58 <manu> Thank you to GS1 for covering everyone's entry ticket :)
15:12:00 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: On Wed?
15:12:12 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes, Wed afternoon. I'm booking tickets today.
15:12:23 <JoeAndrieu> ... down and Boors[sp?]
15:12:32 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: Can I invite a friend from the commission?
15:12:55 <JoeAndrieu> Phila: We leave the meeting at 3. So, yes, but I need to know that person.
15:12:57 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: Seth
15:13:06 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Seth Van Holland. Ok. Alright.
15:13:07 <kezike> q+
15:13:18 <phila> ack kezike
15:13:34 <JoeAndrieu> kezike: Is there going to be a room?
15:13:44 <JoeAndrieu> phila: yes, same link for remote participation
15:13:54 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: yes. that makes life simpler.
15:14:05 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes. a link in the calendar, and the same IRC channel as well
15:14:06 <smccown> present+
15:14:16 <ivan> q+
15:14:19 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:14:36 <JoeAndrieu> phila: also Tuesday, our CEO would like to come meet us over lunch. And a few other colleagues.
15:14:43 <phila> ack ivan
15:15:03 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: will there be some sort of AV equipment for remote participants to show up and participate
15:15:14 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:15:16 <JoeAndrieu> phila: yes, there's a modern thing with the magical camera that points at speakers
15:15:57 <JoeAndrieu> JoeAndrieu: Disc golf on Friday
15:16:04 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Is everyone staying at the Moxi?
15:16:09 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: no
15:16:13 <JoeAndrieu> JoeAndrieu: no
15:16:17 <JoeAndrieu> Wip3: I will be
15:16:20 <brent> q+
15:16:23 <phila> ack brent
15:16:43 <JoeAndrieu> brent: I want to reiterate that the task force leads to prepare for their session
15:16:47 <ivan> present+ bigbluehat
15:17:03 <JoeAndrieu> ... for example, the VCALM TF is Wed. We are going to turn to you and say "Go"
15:17:20 <JoeAndrieu> ... we'll handle the queue, scribe, and logistics, but the actual content is up to the task force themselves
15:17:27 <JoeAndrieu> ... if you want slides, please make them
15:17:42 <JoeAndrieu> ...  if you want a session focused on issues / prs, that's fine too
15:17:54 <JoeAndrieu> ... The chairs are not actively planning every session
15:18:05 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to clarify about use cases
15:18:12 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:18:12 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to clarify about use cases
15:18:36 <JoeAndrieu> JoeAndrieu: Phil you got the Use Case conversation under control?
15:18:38 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes.
15:18:54 <phila> https://w3c.github.io/vc-dpp-bw/ucr/index.html
15:18:56 <JoeAndrieu> ... after introduction, we have a discussion of the uses case.
15:19:12 <JoeAndrieu> ... There is a new use case document for the business wallet
15:19:19 <JoeAndrieu> ... quite a lot of which are use cases for VCs
15:19:30 <JoeAndrieu> ... we need to think about which of those, if any, we are going to put in the primary use case document
15:19:39 <JoeAndrieu> ... given that we now have a lot of task forces in flight
15:19:47 <JoeAndrieu> ... with lots of different work going on.
15:19:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... maybe that means the use case document needs updating
15:20:08 <JoeAndrieu> ... I would ask, while you're traveling, at least skim that use case document?
15:20:23 <phila> https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-use-cases/
15:20:30 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to ask the URLs on the web somewhere
15:20:35 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:20:35 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to ask the URLs on the web somewhere
15:20:41 <manu> scribe+
15:20:54 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Short request, can you get URLs in agenda or in calendar item?
15:21:04 <manu> JoeAndrieu: It will help people find the URLs.
15:21:21 <JoeAndrieu> phila: apart from that, we are pretty much ready to go.
15:21:34 <JoeAndrieu> phila: we'll deal with logistics on site.
15:21:52 <manu> scribe-
15:22:06 <JoeAndrieu> ... for remote participants, the equipment is up to date, and we will make every effort to include remote participants as equals so you feel valued, because you are
15:22:35 <JoeAndrieu> ... Usually the week after, there are no working meetings. I'd recommend cancelling the the week after.
15:22:47 <JoeAndrieu> ... Up to task force leaders to decide for their group
15:23:19 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: we discussed splitting the group, between two subjects separately. Combined vocabulary discussion isn't very productive at this point.
15:23:34 <JoeAndrieu> ... So, how can I control a meeting? I didn't send the invite, how would I cancel it?
15:23:41 <JoeAndrieu> phila: I can point you to it now.
15:23:42 <phila> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/vc/task-forces/
15:23:59 <JoeAndrieu> ... If you go to that URL, that has all the task forces.
15:24:19 <JoeAndrieu> ... Go to your task force, you'll see the calendar link. And you should be able to confirm/cancel whatever
15:24:24 <ivan> q+
15:24:33 <phila> ack ivan
15:24:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... What usually happens, you put the agenda in and mark it confirmed.
15:24:59 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: Question for Carolynn. The cut of the two topics, is that just separate meetings?
15:25:09 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: Yes, we are thinking a biweekly meeting for each.
15:25:22 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: We could also split that task force, but there aren't a lot of people to support that
15:25:31 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: We will also meet together sometimes
15:25:42 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: That is entirely between you can Carsten to set the agenda.
15:25:57 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: So we keep it as a weekly meeting, then set the agenda by editing the event
15:26:04 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes. Should be easy.
15:26:15 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: We meet in person next week, so let's do it in person.
15:26:21 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: Thanks.
15:26:27 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Any other questions for next week?
15:26:51 <JoeAndrieu> ... next up for task force
15:26:55 <bigbluehat> present+
15:26:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... wait. before I do that.
15:27:01 <phila> Topic: Post Quantum
15:27:03 <JoeAndrieu> ... Manu you wanted to discuss the post-quantum
15:27:14 <JoeAndrieu> manu: thanks, Phil
15:27:44 <JoeAndrieu> ... Yesterday on data integrity task force call, we settled on Quantum Resistance Crypto Suites, as vc-di-quantum-resistant-1.0
15:28:01 <JoeAndrieu> phila: this has been around. incubated in CCG
15:28:08 <ivan> q+
15:28:16 <JoeAndrieu> manu: Yes. It's been around for a while. Ready to publish through this group.
15:28:20 <phila> ack ivan
15:28:24 <JoeAndrieu> phila: As it was moved, all the IP commitments were made.
15:28:26 <JoeAndrieu> manu: Yes
15:28:45 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: You've made all the admin steps? Publication either 16th or 18th of June
15:28:47 <JoeAndrieu> manu: Correct
15:29:06 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Any comments? before we formally put this to the group?
15:29:16 <manu> PROPOSAL: Publish the Quantum-Resistant Cryptosuites v1.0 specification (https://w3c.github.io/vc-di-quantum-resistant/) as a FPWD with a shortname of vc-di-quantum-resistant-1.0.
15:29:19 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Then I think we good to go
15:29:20 <kezike> +1
15:29:23 <phila> +1
15:29:23 <JoeAndrieu> +1
15:29:24 <manu> +1
15:29:24 <dlongley> +1
15:29:24 <ivan> +1
15:29:24 <wes-smith> +1
15:29:24 <smccown> +1
15:29:24 <TallTed> +1
15:29:26 <Wip3> +1
15:29:27 <elaine> +1
15:29:33 <bigbluehat> +1
15:29:46 <ivan> q+
15:29:48 <JoeAndrieu> phila: congratulations. that's another FPWD from this group.
15:29:49 <phila> ack ivan
15:29:53 <manu> RESOLVED: Publish the Quantum-Resistant Cryptosuites v1.0 specification (https://w3c.github.io/vc-di-quantum-resistant/) as a FPWD with a shortname of vc-di-quantum-resistant-1.0.
15:30:21 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: Food for thought, Manu. Usually when there's an FPWD, there's news that W3C issues. A standard thing, an abstract of the spec
15:30:23 <manu> q+
15:30:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... in view of quantum panic, is it worth asking the comm team to do something more than that?
15:30:38 <phila> ack manu
15:30:46 <JoeAndrieu> manu: Yes. I think that's a great idea.
15:31:00 <JoeAndrieu> ... it would signal to the greater web community that the W3C is working on post-quantum things
15:31:16 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: Ok. I will ping you when the time comes.
15:31:36 <JoeAndrieu> phila: That is interesting, because it does show that the group is working on the race between good guys and bad
15:31:57 <JoeAndrieu> phila: While you have the mic, Manu any news from the barcode and DI group?
15:31:59 <wes-smith> q+
15:32:08 <JoeAndrieu> manu: no, but I'll defer to Wes and Elaine
15:32:08 <phila> ack wes-smith
15:32:27 <JoeAndrieu> wes-smith: Plan for the week is to do what we've been doing: discussion, issues, PR processing
15:32:58 <elaine> +1
15:32:59 <JoeAndrieu> ... we are looking for a forgery defense that plays well with QR codes, which happens to work well with post-quantum
15:33:12 <manu> I like the new "forgery defense" moniker... because it's not just about quantum resistance.
15:33:20 <dlongley> +1
15:33:25 <JoeAndrieu> ... Not sure if Greg Bernstein might have specific things to bring up
15:33:29 <elaine> no mic!
15:33:53 <JoeAndrieu> phila: That's a Thursday morning meeting
15:34:09 <manu> scribe+
15:34:29 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Denken and I don't have a full plan for next week yet, but I expect we're going to focus on the Realeyes PR.
15:35:08 <manu> q+
15:35:12 <bigbluehat> q+
15:35:13 <JoeAndrieu> phila: render method? I don't think we have Dmitri. Can anyone else talk about it?
15:35:19 <manu> q-
15:35:32 <manu> scribe-
15:35:34 <JoeAndrieu> bigbluehat: I'm happy to talk about render method
15:35:38 <phila> q?
15:35:43 <phila> ack bigbluehat
15:35:49 <JoeAndrieu> ... the group is trying to figure out what they can prune or not prune for the sandbox stuff
15:36:01 <JoeAndrieu> ... we are trying to figure out how many problems that approach solves
15:36:14 <JoeAndrieu> ... There's been discussion around how many things that can solve.
15:36:29 <JoeAndrieu> ... Also interest in other formats
15:36:42 <JoeAndrieu> ... So you can highlight important fields
15:36:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... Patrick St Louis has been talking about OCA bundles
15:37:17 <JoeAndrieu> ... Perhaps an approach about credential types
15:37:42 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Benjamin, can you talk with Dmitri about how you are going to use that time.
15:37:50 <JoeAndrieu> ... Carsten isn't on the call. Carolynn?
15:38:15 <JoeAndrieu> Carolynn: I just checked with Carsten. He's going to lead the wallet vocab on Wed morning next week.
15:38:24 <JoeAndrieu> ... I will lead follow up meeting on DPP
15:38:35 <JoeAndrieu> ... Content will be getting to know DPP team members and define the scope and related work
15:38:41 <JoeAndrieu> ... There is a lot of related work.
15:39:01 <JoeAndrieu> ... We need to list those and discuss how these different activities will affect what we are trying to do.
15:39:22 <JoeAndrieu> phila: That sounds like a good conversation for the hour 15 we have for you. Thank you
15:39:29 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Kayoda, VCALM?
15:39:50 <ivan> s/Kayoda/Kayode/
15:39:51 <JoeAndrieu> kezike: What we've been talking about recently, include Threat Modeling
15:40:00 <JoeAndrieu> ... Also test suite development.
15:40:13 <JoeAndrieu> ... There was a VCALM test suite under CCG. We've been working on refactoring that.
15:40:29 <JoeAndrieu> ... Third, is just maintenance of the spec. Issues and PR processing.
15:40:48 <JoeAndrieu> ... Manu proposed a way to categorize these as post 1.0, so its not a blocker for the current charter
15:41:06 <JoeAndrieu> ... I'll chat with Patrick and Manu about managing queue remotely
15:41:11 <ivan> q+
15:41:16 <JoeAndrieu> ... And we'll probably need to give a bit of background
15:41:35 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes. The group is too large for everyone to participate in all task forces,
15:41:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... This is the opportunity to share the work with participants in other task forces
15:42:04 <ivan> q-
15:42:08 <JoeAndrieu> ... All of this work affects our peers work.
15:42:13 <JoeAndrieu> ... We're all in the VCWG.
15:42:46 <JoeAndrieu> phila: one request. I'm having difficulty hearing you. A microphone would make a big difference.
15:42:56 <JoeAndrieu> kezike: how about this?
15:43:02 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes, that's great.
15:43:07 <JoeAndrieu> ... next up Recognized Entities
15:43:18 <JoeAndrieu> manu: we are going to go over at a high level what this does
15:43:40 <JoeAndrieu> ... probably talk about alignment with GS1 and UN Grid use cases(?)
15:43:51 <JoeAndrieu> ... And threat model
15:44:09 <JoeAndrieu> ... If we have time, we'll focus on the issues we really need to address before candidate rec
15:44:10 <brent> q+
15:44:13 <phila> ack brent
15:44:40 <JoeAndrieu> brent: Noting there is a VCALM session separately as a task force. There are also two threat modeling sessions
15:44:43 <JoeAndrieu> q+
15:44:52 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:45:32 <manu> JoeAndrieu: I think Simone is trying to be there in person. Might talk about VCALM earlier in the process...
15:45:57 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Simone has learned that being concrete early on is good, so VCALM is a good candidate.
15:46:27 <JoeAndrieu> phila: my aim while we are there. by the end of the day, we should get a sense of where the group is as a whole.
15:46:42 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to say we moved VCALM
15:46:57 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Also TPAC
15:47:12 <JoeAndrieu> q+ also to mention respect-threats
15:47:15 <manu> q+ to note some specs we'd like to get into CR by TPAC.
15:47:21 <JoeAndrieu> phila: we will have some in CR by TPAC
15:47:21 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:47:21 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to say we moved VCALM and to mention respect-threats
15:47:30 <manu> q+
15:48:09 <manu> JoeAndrieu: We did move VCALM to Thursday, so that's fine.
15:48:22 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Also finishing up respec-threats library so plan to spend some time on that in F2F.
15:49:16 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Eric also has some useful DFDs to discuss, but want to talk about overlap and Eric's work on threat models (top level diagram for moving parts) -- Eric broke it up into concrete use case, and diagram for each step, re-using same components... help us get to granularlity we need for threat analysis.
15:49:28 <phila> ack manu
15:49:28 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note some specs we'd like to get into CR by TPAC. and to
15:49:29 <manu> JoeAndrieu: Folks might want to look at those diagrams before attending.
15:49:36 <JoeAndrieu> manu: +1 to that.
15:49:39 <ivan> s/scribe-//
15:49:42 <JoeAndrieu> ... back to the question brent asked.
15:49:57 <JoeAndrieu> ... I heard Simone might be there in person. I'm happy to help.
15:50:04 <JoeAndrieu> ... I'll volunteer
15:50:47 <JoeAndrieu> ... Item 2. Yes, that's for the respec threat modeling extention. I'm going to try applying it to other work maybe to recognized entities.
15:51:23 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Benjamin, you were asking about the two spreadsheets.
15:51:33 <JoeAndrieu> ... Yes. Sorry about that.
15:51:45 <JoeAndrieu> bigbluehat: Any objections to me leaving signpost
15:51:47 <phila> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Emo_yVt90Z5xnHNBPhShO4B7zYQ7kwMfNcOa6sKAdoc/edit?gid=179611341#gid=179611341
15:51:55 <JoeAndrieu> phila: I'm not taking the attendance spreadsheet as final.
15:52:09 <ivan> q+
15:52:10 <JoeAndrieu> ... In particular, I'm using those numbers to book our tickets for the Wed evening
15:52:13 <phila> ack ivan
15:52:34 <JoeAndrieu> ivan: A practical thing. Unfortunately, it will be pretty rainy next week. Bring umbrellas!
15:52:43 <JoeAndrieu> Thanks, Ivan!
15:52:53 <phila> Topic: GS1/W3C workshop on Agentic AI for retail
15:52:55 <phila> https://w3c.github.io/ecommerce-for-humans-and-AI-Agents-workshop/
15:52:56 <JoeAndrieu> phila: In case you don't know, it's wetter than London.
15:53:06 <JoeAndrieu> ... Completely separate topic, in case its of interest.
15:53:41 <JoeAndrieu> ... I am working with W3C on workshop in September about agentic AI, MCP, UCP, ACP< etc. I'm putting together the program. Bosch and Visa.
15:53:46 <JoeAndrieu> If that is of interest to you
15:53:51 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to ask about remote
15:53:55 <phila> ack JoeAndrieu
15:53:55 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to ask about remote
15:54:19 <JoeAndrieu> JoeAndrieu: remote participation for workshop
15:54:24 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes.
15:54:47 <JoeAndrieu> ... Thank you all. See you need week, in person or online.
15:54:52 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:54:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/27-vcwg-minutes.html ivan
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15:58:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items