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13:03:01 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:04:15 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:04:24 <janina> Date 28 May 2026
13:04:29 <janina> Chair: Janina
13:04:33 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:04:33 <janina> agenda+ [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/)
13:04:33 <janina> agenda+ [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md)
13:04:36 <janina> agenda+ New charters review
13:04:38 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
13:04:41 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:04:43 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:04:46 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:04:48 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:04:51 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:38:37 <janina>  agenda?
13:39:08 <janina> zakim, drop item 3
13:39:08 <Zakim> agendum 3, [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md), dropped
13:39:19 <janina> zakim, drop item 4
13:39:19 <Zakim> agendum 4, New charters review, dropped
13:39:25 <janina> zakim, drop item 5
13:39:25 <Zakim> agendum 5, New on TR, dropped
13:39:31 <janina> agenda?
13:55:22 <janina> present+
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14:00:59 <matatk> present+
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14:01:55 <janina> present+
14:02:28 <Roy_Ruoxi> present+
14:03:48 <Eric_hind> scribe+ Eric_hind
14:03:59 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
14:03:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:11 <matatk> agenda?
14:04:31 <Eric_hind> zakim, close this item
14:04:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:04:32 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:04:32 <Zakim> 2. [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) [from janina]
14:04:37 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
14:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:36 <Eric_hind> Janina: No scholarship announcement at this point.  Would be happy to see folks in Dublin - less than half a year in the future.
14:05:48 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
14:05:48 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:06:17 <Eric_hind> Roy_Ruoxi: One new doc on TR
14:06:23 <Eric_hind> topic: New on TR
14:06:30 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: SHACL 1.2 User Interfaces
14:06:30 <Roy_Ruoxi> - spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/shacl12-ui/
14:06:30 <Roy_Ruoxi> - tracker: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-longitudinal-tracking/issues/48
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14:07:50 <Eric_hind> Roy_Ruoxi: Shacl12 UI, no mention of a11y in their document.  Best next steps?  (This is a low level document)
14:07:53 <matatk> q+
14:08:15 <Eric_hind> Janina: With UI, we should have a look at it.
14:08:19 <janina> ack ma
14:09:14 <Eric_hind> matatk: Agreed, we should be involved.  Was peripherally looked at in the past with other Shacl reviews - this one is marked as v1.2, not sure if this is new/refreshed.
14:10:39 <Eric_hind> matatk: We should take a look.  Recommend next steps of contacting group about how best to review (github/email, etc)
14:11:34 <Eric_hind> Janina: Mostly sure that we haven't done any official Shacl UI reviews.  This will be a new thing.
14:12:20 <Eric_hind> matatk: We will connect with the chairs of the group to see best next steps
14:12:34 <marcelo> q+
14:12:46 <Eric_hind> Janina: We should review previous Shacl decisions too
14:13:15 <janina> q?
14:13:34 <janina> ack mar
14:14:27 <Eric_hind> Janina: Given that this related to form/content generation, we should be involved.
14:14:47 <Eric_hind> marcelo: Willing to volunteer or be in the loop on this.
14:15:55 <Eric_hind> matatk: We could do this dual track - ask what format of communication while also starting the reviewing.
14:16:21 <Eric_hind> matatk and marcelo to be assigned
14:16:29 <janina> q?
14:16:50 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html#2e03
14:17:39 <Eric_hind> Topic+ Charter for browser tools
14:17:48 <Eric_hind> Topic: New Charters
14:17:59 <matatk> subtopic: Browser Testing and Tools Working Group Charter
14:18:17 <matatk> Last week's minutes (thanks Roy_Ruoxi): https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html#2e03
14:19:36 <Eric_hind> matatk: There was a question with marcelo and paulG about impact of machine learning on protocols.  Will the protocol itself need to be changed to support AI?
14:19:59 <Eric_hind> Janina: Reminder that this is a charter of the working group - should be a part of the deliverables.
14:20:22 <matatk> q+
14:20:34 <Eric_hind> marcelo: The discussion was around the webdriver and specific browser - question was around expanding this to QA tools?
14:20:37 <matatk> ack me
14:20:37 <janina> ack ma
14:21:51 <Eric_hind> matatk: Point of the work related to bidirectional is only in one tool, but others will be supporting webdriver bidirectional and the engines.  So opening up to other tools is happening organically.
14:23:36 <Eric_hind> Janina: Do we want language change to their charter?  matatk is OK with it as-is, but could do with more clarity on how this will expand to other platofrms.
14:24:33 <Eric_hind> matatk: We should likely sign off on it for now as-is.
14:24:44 <matatk> agenda?
14:25:04 <Eric_hind> zakim, next item
14:25:04 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:25:17 <Eric_hind> zakim, take up item 6
14:25:17 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:26:09 <matatk> subtopic: EPUB 3.4 family of specs
14:26:11 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/323
14:27:09 <PaulG> present+
14:27:25 <Eric_hind> matatk, as an intro avneeshSingh work with publishing group since 2019 - advisory board member as well
14:28:15 <Eric_hind> matatk notes that this is a minor revision, not major
14:29:52 <Eric_hind> avneeshSingh: main thing for reviews, changes for fix layout, no major a11y bug/issue updates
14:30:27 <Eric_hind> avneeshSingh: Working on Epub 3.5 charter, overlays update would be one major thing of note.
14:30:28 <matatk> q+
14:31:23 <PaulG> q+
14:32:14 <Eric_hind> avneeshSingh: There is a subgroup of publishing related accessibility specific folks - there may be advocating for accessibility related items in parallel.
14:34:21 <janina> ack ma
14:35:12 <janina> q+
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14:36:01 <PaulG> q-
14:37:16 <chiace> present+
14:37:34 <matatk> Something that's coming up for a future version: https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/wg-notes/fxl-a11y-tech/
14:38:16 <janina> q?
14:39:58 <janina> ack ja
14:42:11 <matatk> q+
14:42:18 <janina> q?
14:42:29 <janina> ack ma
14:45:51 <Eric_hind> matatk: Looking do this 3.4 review quickly - anyone with experience with EPub is welcome.
14:47:28 <matatk> agenda?
14:47:52 <Eric_hind> zakim, take up item 8
14:47:52 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) -- taken up [from janina]
14:48:41 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/9706
14:49:22 <matatk> Here is the APA tracking issue, for any 'APA internal' discussion: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/319
14:51:43 <matatk> q+
14:52:46 <janina> q?
14:54:40 <janina> ack ma
14:54:47 <Eric_hind> PaulG has created demos on indeterminate states related to browsers, AT, HTML/CSS to further conversations, this may come up in a future review.
14:59:13 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:59:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, JonCohn, Eric_hind, matatk, marcelo, Roy_Ruoxi, PaulG, chiace
14:59:15 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/27-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:59:23 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:07:34 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:07:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items