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15:56:12 <ktk> meeting: RDF-star WG meeting
15:56:25 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260521T120000/
15:56:26 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:56:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/14-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:56:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:56:26 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open PRs, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:56:28 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
15:56:31 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:56:34 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:56:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
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16:03:16 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
16:03:16 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/05/14-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:03:39 <ktk> ora: Comments on the minutes?
16:04:15 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 2026-05-14
16:04:18 <ora> +1
16:04:19 <pchampin> +1
16:04:19 <niklasl> +1
16:04:20 <ktk> +1
16:04:22 <Dominik_T> +1
16:04:22 <gtw> +1
16:04:24 <tl> +1
16:04:38 <lisp> +1
16:04:38 <olaf> +0 (didn't attend)
16:04:38 <Souri> +0 (did not attend)
16:04:46 <AndyS> +1
16:04:51 <Tpt> +0 (didn't attend)
16:04:53 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 2026-05-14
16:04:59 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:04:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:05:39 <ktk> q?
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16:07:15 <ktk> niklasl: A separate topic for "Create note on triple term owlification" would be good, ideally with Enrico in the call
16:07:41 <ktk> ora: I contacted ISWC organizers, have not hear back yet
16:07:43 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open PRs, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:52 <AndyS> q+
16:09:24 <ora> ack AndyS
16:10:26 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/145
16:11:56 <Dominik_T> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/322
16:11:57 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/322
16:12:57 <gtw> q+
16:13:17 <ktk> pchampin: do we really need the content-length on that? The PR itself makes sense otherwise
16:13:25 <ora> ack gtw
16:14:06 <ktk> gtw: merging is fine, it cleans up existing code. But I'll create a PR that cleans this up.
16:14:17 <ktk> AndyS: no content-length would be saver
16:14:28 <ktk> q+
16:16:46 <pchampin> q+
16:17:17 <ora> ack ktk
16:17:36 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/275/changes
16:17:49 <ktk> ack pchampin
16:19:00 <AndyS> q+
16:19:48 <ktk> pchampin: maybe we should remove that session and move the definition of quads to N-Quads. If we leave it in RDF Concepts, we should have a warning that the definition of quad and dataset (a default graph with a collection of named graphs) is not the same
16:20:15 <ktk> AndyS: maybe we could talk about quads, instead of saying dataset is a set of quads
16:20:38 <AndyS> ack me
16:20:41 <ktk> ... I'm also not sure if something in a non-normative section is helpful.
16:21:00 <ktk> q+
16:21:12 <ktk> ora: should we revise that?
16:21:16 <ktk> pchampin: I'll adjust the PR
16:21:25 <ora> ack ktk
16:22:13 <ktk> ktk: do we have tests for the new text-direction?
16:22:14 <niklasl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/tree/main/sparql/sparql12/lang-basedir
16:25:21 <ktk> AndyS: as far as I can see there are not tests on SPARQL for text direction.
16:25:30 <ktk> ... sorry there are
16:25:55 <Souri> s/not tests/no tests/
16:26:05 <pchampin> q+
16:26:10 <ktk> AndyS: if someone could contribute for syntax, that would be great.
16:26:22 <ora> ack pchampin
16:26:46 <Tpt> q+
16:26:55 <ora> ack Tpt
16:26:56 <ktk> pchampin: What's the policy for adding new tests if they are compliant with something that a SPARQL 1.1 processor should do.
16:27:29 <ktk> Tpt: If the test is covering something that is well-specified in SPARQL 1.1, it should be there. If it is something that was clarified for SPARQL 1.2, it should be there.
16:27:39 <ktk> ora: I agree.
16:28:23 <ora> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/336
16:28:31 <Tpt> q+
16:31:20 <ktk> Tpt: I can't remember on what it was blocked, I could try to rebase them.
16:31:29 <ora> ack Tpt
16:31:30 <ktk> ... I remember discussing with AndyS some styling details.
16:34:15 <ktk> ora: let's start next week with a working meeting where we go through PRs
16:34:20 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:34:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 4 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:34:30 <pchampin> q+
16:34:54 <ora> ack pchampin
16:35:40 <ktk> pchampin: I checked HR tracker for Turtle/Quad/Trig... we never finished them and submitted them to the TAG
16:35:53 <ktk> ... we should ping the TAG once we completely addressed the issues on N-Quads
16:36:15 <ktk> ... We should do that in the chairs-meeting.
16:36:42 <ktk> ... We did not do that for the TAG.
16:37:45 <ktk> ora: how about https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/189
16:38:21 <ktk> niklasl: I think pchampin wanted to take care of that.
16:38:30 <ktk> pchampin: I think it's about TAG concerns
16:38:54 <ktk> ... it's part of that addressing we just talked about
16:39:33 <ktk> ora: where are we with implementation reports?
16:39:43 <ora> q?
16:40:01 <ktk> AndyS: is the formal request not part of CR?
16:40:03 <ktk> pchampin: it is
16:41:00 <ktk> AndyS: do we want the report of everything or per document?
16:42:06 <ktk> ora: what's the policy from W3C on implementation reports?
16:42:17 <ktk> pchampin: not strictly codified, it's up to us as well
16:42:37 <ktk> ora: should we advertise?
16:42:52 <ktk> AndyS: we didn't sort out all tests yet. I would propose to do it all at once.
16:43:09 <pchampin> AndyS, by "everything at once", I assume you mean "everythin RDF"...
16:43:29 <pchampin> ... not RDF+SPARQL
16:44:30 <Souri> s/everythin RDF/everything RDF/
16:44:45 <ktk> AndyS: how about we set a date and work for that (for everything except SPARQL)
16:45:12 <ktk> ora: how about we work on the tests next week.
16:45:42 <ktk> niklasl: we can timebox the owl-ification to 10-15 mins so we have additional time
16:45:47 <pchampin> q+
16:45:53 <ora> ack pchampin
16:46:21 <ktk> pchampin: if we want that, we have to work on RDF/XML
16:46:40 <ktk> ... we need to work out something for RDF Schema as well.
16:47:08 <ktk> ... We don't have any tests for RDF Concepts as well. We said we have the tests for RDF Semantics and at least one serialization.
16:47:45 <ktk> ... I need to dig out how the previous WGs did that.
16:47:56 <ktk> ... Maybe the process was not as strict in those days, I'll check.
16:48:13 <ktk> AndyS: I don't think there was anything specific for RDF Schema. I'm not sure what implementing this even means.
16:48:24 <ktk> ... Maybe it means review instead of execute.
16:48:42 <ktk> pchampin: DCAT showed that it's used among different organizations, that's how they managed that.
16:49:01 <ktk> ... Maybe demonstrating is "implementation of". I'll need to think abou this and consult with Yvan Hermann
16:49:11 <niklasl> q+
16:49:16 <ktk> ... We will need a story for RDF Schema as well for implementation.
16:49:28 <ora> ack niklasl
16:50:06 <pchampin> I think it is under RDF Semantics
16:50:19 <ktk> niklasl: Are the axioms that the RDF representation contains, are they in the document. I'm thinking weather or not could the tests do something.
16:50:19 <Souri> s/Yvan Hermann/Ivan Hermann/
16:51:01 <ktk> Zakim, next item
16:51:01 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:51:23 <niklasl> q+
16:51:27 <ora> ack niklasl
16:52:06 <niklasl> https://github.com/highlightjs/highlightjs-rdflang
16:52:23 <Souri> s/Ivan Hermann/Ivan Herman/
16:52:29 <niklasl> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-common/compare/main...niklasl:rdf-common:styling
16:52:52 <ktk> niklasl: when I wrote the OWL note, I added syntax highlighting to some of the sections. I tried to use the existing highlighter. I did a fork based on the original code.
16:54:33 <niklasl> Some highlighted examples: https://niklasl.github.io/rdf-struct-patterns/spec/#section-interop-prov-o
16:54:36 <ktk> ... It's static markup once the documents are snapshotted.
16:54:45 <ktk> ora: it would be great to have that in our documents.
16:54:52 <Tpt> q+
16:55:03 <ora> ack Tpt
16:55:42 <ktk> Tpt: how much do we want to follow ReSpec style? We have a lot of styling for tables & do not respect the styling for tables. Same for some boxes used.
16:55:46 <niklasl> +1 to Tpt's question
16:56:07 <ktk> AndyS: SPARQL spec needs an end to end restyling.
16:56:40 <ktk> ... If someone could look at that this would be very good. Styling is currently old-fashioned and clunky.
16:56:59 <ktk> ... I wouldn't spend too much time on color coding, this is not part of the spec.
16:57:02 <niklasl> q+
16:57:05 <ktk> Tpt: I agree.
16:57:06 <ora> ack niklasl
16:57:31 <ktk> niklasl: I tend to agree, ReSpec highlighter does not support SPARQL & Turtle highlighter.
16:58:19 <Tpt> q+
16:58:23 <ora> ack Tpt
16:59:08 <ktk> AndyS: I mean not using styling for SPARQL examples, just plain. Color does not have any meaning to it.
16:59:33 <pchampin> I have to drop now, sorry
16:59:41 <pchampin> s/I have to drop now, sorry/
16:59:48 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:59:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:59:56 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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17:02:00 <ktk> s/hear back/heard back/
17:02:00 <ktk> s/saver/safer/
17:02:00 <ktk> s/remove that session/remove that section/
17:02:00 <ktk> s/addressing we just talked about/addressing that we just talked about/
17:02:00 <ktk> s/think abou this/think about this/
17:02:02 <ktk> s/weather or not/whether or not/
17:02:05 <ktk> s/end to end/end-to-end/
17:02:07 <ktk> s/SPARQL & Turtle highlighter/SPARQL & Turtle highlighters/
17:02:10 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:02:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/21-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
17:02:40 <ktk> regrets+ fsasaki
17:02:42 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:02:59 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
17:02:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
<pchampin> regrets+ TallTed