IRC log of apa on 2026-05-20
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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- Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
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- Date: 20 May 2026
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- Chair: Matthew
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- agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
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- agenda+ [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/)
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- agenda+ [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md)
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- agenda+ New charters review
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- agenda+ New on TR
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- agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
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- agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
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- agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
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- agenda+ Other business
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- agenda+ Be done
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- present+
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
- 14:01:45 [Fazio]
- present+
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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- present+
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- present +
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- scribe+
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html matatk
- 14:03:47 [chiace]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:04:49 [janina]
- regrets: Gottfried_Zimmerman, Jennifer_Strickland
- 14:04:56 [chiace]
- TPAC 2026 we need to think about what we are going to do, It hasn't been request yet, but we need to start to think about it: meeting, breakout, etc, let us know
- 14:05:08 [chiace]
- matatk TPAC 2026 we need to think about what we are going to do, It hasn't been request yet, but we need to start to think about it: meeting, breakout, etc, let us know
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- q?
- 14:06:13 [chiace]
- matatk W3C program for Invited Expert it will happen soon
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md) -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:07:24 [matatk]
- q?
- 14:07:35 [chiace]
- matatk about the spec review please file issues or pull requests on it as required, please use the guide as well and provide feedback
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- New charters review -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:08:29 [Roy_Ruoxi]
- subtopic: Browser Testing and Tools Working Group Charter
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- - charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2026/charter-wg-btt.html
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- - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/558
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- Roy_Ruoxi has been closed
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- janina we tangled our way into understanding it
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- matatk We are talking about browser testing and tools working group
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- present+
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- q?
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- q+
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- ack JonCohn
- 14:12:05 [chiace]
- matatk Web driver and the new version which is a webdriver which is bidirectional. Defining the protocol that allows you to remote control browser instances. So you can headless browsing. Probably lots of us have used this sort of thing
- 14:12:35 [PaulG]
- https://aria-at.w3.org/reports
- 14:13:06 [chiace]
- JonCohn believe they already did NVDA support for it too, has been working on this for over a year
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- JonCohn collect the info that gets returned and there by off what you expect to get returned
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- matatk Aria link from Paul getting back the screen reader
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- q?
- 14:16:01 [chiace]
- PaulG it has in these reports they have the test, The tests have asseruibs like must convey roll button and so or must convert, convey heading level 3
- 14:17:28 [Fazio]
- q+
- 14:17:40 [chiace]
- matatk the differences are here, it has been going on for a little while, so not a totally new deliverable. the normative specs, they are just saying they finished webdriver. But the bi directional version they are intending to
- 14:18:52 [chiace]
- mpaiva Will they consider all the AI automation and QA? AI automation that the progression that's been happening
- 14:19:46 [chiace]
- matatk good point, and he wonders if it is specific to the AT driver stuff or in general
- 14:19:56 [matatk]
- https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/browser-tools-testing/tools/ - repos owned by the group
- 14:20:05 [PaulG]
- https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi
- 14:20:20 [matatk]
- https://github.com/w3c/at-driver
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- https://github.com/w3c/webdriver
- 14:20:56 [chiace]
- PaulG we've got too many concepts with the same word, Obviously the web driver project started way before LMS became a mainstay of
- 14:21:32 [chiace]
- matatk webdriver, baidu stuff, intresting
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- PaulG they just wanto to normalize the protocol for testing various browsers
- 14:22:24 [matatk]
- subtopic: WebTransport
- 14:22:52 [Roy_Ruoxi]
- charter: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/537
- 14:23:00 [chiace]
- matatk we talk about it last week, he made a note on the tracking issue
- 14:23:04 [matatk]
- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/310
- 14:24:59 [chiace]
- zakim, next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, chiace
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- q?
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- ack Fazio
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- q?
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- Fazio wcag dev - framework of testing it can make sense , to keep it in line with other groups
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:26:33 [matatk]
- subtopic: CSS-AAM
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- https://github.com/w3c/css-aam/
- 14:28:46 [PaulG]
- q+
- 14:28:49 [chiace]
- matatk Paul did give us a heads up about this. So there is a CFS AAM or A11y APA API mapping CSS. We need to be aware of this and follow significant changes to it. We have had a number of issues over the last 6-9-12 months where this type of thing has come up in the issue
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- ack PaulG
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- matatk ARIA and CSS is working on it
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- PaulG last week there was a discussion and they said that they pivoted and they are doing AAM mapping and sending it. But they cannot style it.
- 14:31:26 [matatk]
- Paul is referring to https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/247 wrt making the mapping directly, rather than going long way 'round via actually setting ARIA attrs
- 14:31:27 [chiace]
- matatk Target current pseudo class should also imply Aria current on active scroll marker, is that is a11y tracking 247
- 14:33:30 [chiace]
- PaulG Steve said last week was the right move and but ut does create this, dual mapping. You are making CSS that is sort of resilient against implantation choices or you have progressive enhancement, or you have fallbacks for problems that do not support certain features
- 14:34:41 [chiace]
- matatk Were wondering how to expose that semantically to ATS, but if they ve already got the target current pseudo class, presumably they can style it
- 14:36:20 [chiace]
- matatk Current scroll marker, CSS rule. Thta API it is a different way around, it is just gonna go in the opposite direction
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:37:23 [matatk]
- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/322
- 14:38:56 [chiace]
- matatk we maybe need a Google Doc, we need to collate the threads about HTML and canvas, understand the right people are talking about it . So we want to do this much more in depth
- 14:38:57 [PaulG]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2758
- 14:40:35 [chiace]
- matatk please feel free to edit this
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- matatk post on the a11y tracking with any questions you have that you do not think are answered
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- subtopic: Extended Descriptions (DPUB)
- 14:49:41 [matatk]
- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/311
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- Please look and put feedback initially on that tracking thread
- 14:49:59 [chiace]
- matatk Explainer for the digital publishing people for extended descriptions for publications. Everyone should look at it
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
- 14:50:57 [matatk]
- subtopic: Long Animation Frames
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- https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/316
- 14:54:04 [chiace]
- PaulG Long Animation Frames API has the ability to prevent that blocking. Blocks UI interaction, API to keep the UI interactive.Google is already shoved and small language model into a browser thread
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, PaulG, Fazio, chiace, Dr_Keith, mpaiva, JonCohn
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items