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13:55:14 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:55:24 <janina> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:55:29 <janina> Date: 20 May 2026
13:55:34 <janina> Chair: Matthew
13:55:38 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:55:38 <janina> agenda+ [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/)
13:55:38 <janina> agenda+ [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md)
13:55:41 <janina> agenda+ New charters review
13:55:43 <janina> agenda+ New on TR
13:55:46 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:55:48 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:55:51 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:55:53 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:55:56 <janina> agenda+ Be done
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14:01:30 <matatk> present+
14:01:32 <matatk> agenda?
14:01:38 <janina>  present+
14:01:42 <PaulG> present+
14:01:45 <Fazio> present+
14:01:45 <chiace> present+
14:02:38 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:02:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
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14:02:55 <Dr_Keith> present+
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14:03:18 <chiace> scribe+
14:03:26 <mpaiva> present+
14:03:32 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:03:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:03:47 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:03:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [TPAC 2026](https://www.w3.org/events/tpac/2026/tpac-2026/) -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:49 <janina> regrets: Gottfried_Zimmerman, Jennifer_Strickland
14:04:56 <chiace> TPAC 2026 we need to think about what we are going to do, It hasn't been request yet, but we need to start to think about it: meeting, breakout, etc, let us know
14:05:08 <chiace> matatk TPAC 2026 we need to think about what we are going to do, It hasn't been request yet, but we need to start to think about it: meeting, breakout, etc, let us know
14:06:12 <matatk> q?
14:06:13 <chiace> matatk W3C program for Invited Expert it will happen soon
14:06:20 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [APA Members' Spec Review Guide](https://github.com/w3c/apa/blob/main/process/spec-review-guide.md) -- taken up [from janina]
14:07:24 <matatk> q?
14:07:35 <chiace> matatk about the spec review please file issues or pull requests on it as required, please use the guide as well and provide feedback
14:07:42 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:07:42 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New charters review -- taken up [from janina]
14:08:29 <Roy_Ruoxi> subtopic: Browser Testing and Tools Working Group Charter
14:08:29 <Roy_Ruoxi> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/2026/charter-wg-btt.html
14:08:29 <Roy_Ruoxi> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/558
14:08:48 <chiace> Roy_Ruoxi  has been closed
14:09:39 <chiace> janina we tangled our way into understanding it
14:10:23 <chiace> matatk We are talking about browser testing and tools working group
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14:10:48 <JonCohn> present+
14:11:23 <matatk> q?
14:11:36 <JonCohn> q+
14:11:53 <matatk> ack JonCohn
14:12:05 <chiace> matatk  Web driver and the new version which is a webdriver which is bidirectional. Defining the protocol that allows you to remote control browser instances.  So you can headless browsing. Probably lots of us have used this sort of thing
14:12:35 <PaulG> https://aria-at.w3.org/reports
14:13:06 <chiace> JonCohn believe they already did NVDA support for it too, has been working on this for over a year
14:13:53 <chiace> JonCohn collect the info that gets returned and there by off what you expect to get returned
14:14:40 <chiace> matatk Aria link from Paul  getting back the screen reader
14:15:53 <matatk> q?
14:16:01 <chiace> PaulG it has in these reports they have the test, The tests have asseruibs like must convey roll button and so or must convert, convey heading level 3
14:17:28 <Fazio> q+
14:17:40 <chiace> matatk the differences are here, it has been going on for a little while, so not a totally new deliverable. the normative specs, they are just saying they finished webdriver. But the bi directional version they are intending to
14:18:52 <chiace> mpaiva Will they consider all the AI automation and QA? AI automation that the progression that's been happening
14:19:46 <chiace> matatk good point, and he wonders if it is specific to the AT driver stuff or in general
14:19:56 <matatk> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/browser-tools-testing/tools/ - repos owned by the group
14:20:05 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi
14:20:20 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/at-driver
14:20:38 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/webdriver
14:20:56 <chiace> PaulG we've got too many concepts with the same word, Obviously the web driver project started way before LMS became a mainstay of
14:21:32 <chiace> matatk webdriver, baidu stuff, intresting
14:22:16 <chiace> PaulG they just wanto to normalize the protocol for testing various browsers
14:22:24 <matatk> subtopic: WebTransport
14:22:52 <Roy_Ruoxi> charter: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/537
14:23:00 <chiace> matatk we talk about it last week, he made a note on the tracking issue
14:23:04 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/310
14:24:59 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:24:59 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, chiace
14:25:01 <matatk> q?
14:25:11 <matatk> ack Fazio
14:26:01 <matatk> q?
14:26:05 <chiace> Fazio  wcag dev - framework of testing  it can make sense , to keep it in line with other groups
14:26:15 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:26:15 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New on TR -- taken up [from janina]
14:26:33 <matatk> subtopic: CSS-AAM
14:26:38 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/css-aam/
14:28:46 <PaulG> q+
14:28:49 <chiace> matatk Paul did  give us a heads up about this. So there is a CFS AAM or A11y APA API mapping CSS. We need to be aware  of this and follow significant changes to it. We have had a number of issues over the last 6-9-12 months where this type of thing has come up in the issue
14:29:08 <matatk> ack PaulG
14:29:10 <chiace> matatk ARIA and CSS is working on it
14:30:21 <chiace> PaulG  last week there was a discussion and they said  that they pivoted and they are doing AAM mapping and sending it. But they cannot style it.
14:31:26 <matatk> Paul is referring to https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/247 wrt making the mapping directly, rather than going long way 'round via actually setting ARIA attrs
14:31:27 <chiace> matatk Target current pseudo class should also imply Aria current on active scroll marker, is that is a11y tracking 247
14:33:30 <chiace> PaulG  Steve said last week was the right move and but ut does create this, dual mapping. You are making CSS that  is sort of resilient against implantation choices or you have progressive enhancement, or you have fallbacks for problems that do not support certain features
14:34:41 <chiace> matatk Were wondering how to expose that semantically to ATS, but if they ve  already got the target current pseudo class, presumably they can style it
14:36:20 <chiace> matatk Current scroll marker, CSS rule. Thta API it is a different way around, it is just gonna go in the opposite direction
14:36:32 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:36:32 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:37:23 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/322
14:38:56 <chiace> matatk we maybe need a Google Doc, we need to collate the threads about HTML and canvas,  understand the right people are talking about it . So we want to do this much more in depth
14:38:57 <PaulG> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2758
14:40:35 <chiace> matatk please feel free to edit this
14:44:42 <chiace> matatk post on the a11y tracking with any questions you have  that you do not think are answered
14:49:40 <matatk> subtopic: Extended Descriptions (DPUB)
14:49:41 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/311
14:49:51 <matatk> Please look and put feedback initially on that tracking thread
14:49:59 <chiace> matatk Explainer for the digital publishing people for extended descriptions  for publications.  Everyone should look at it
14:50:37 <chiace> zakim, next item
14:50:37 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
14:50:57 <matatk> subtopic: Long Animation Frames
14:51:02 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/316
14:54:04 <chiace> PaulG  Long Animation Frames API has the ability to prevent that blocking. Blocks UI interaction, API to keep the UI interactive.Google is already shoved and small language model into a browser thread
14:56:25 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:56:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, PaulG, Fazio, chiace, Dr_Keith, mpaiva, JonCohn
14:56:27 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:56:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/20-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:56:34 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:03:53 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:03:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items