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14:10:43 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:10:56 <Lisa> Agenda+ Scribe
14:11:36 <Lisa> Agenda+ Updates from calls last week
14:11:44 <Lisa> Agenda+ WCAG review s including  Help and Feedback: Pre-read for Thursday, May 21st . See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.uubdkgkddw8k
14:12:01 <Lisa> Agenda+ Research call tomorrow - Issues table
14:12:11 <Lisa> Agenda+ possible plan for moving forward with making content useable. See https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d2Hpn3iXgI8v_bDzmH4yoICQy9e2OtOtucxcb6CKbbU/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.m9qjkzt2aaut
14:12:25 <Lisa> Agenda+ next steps
14:13:05 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
14:13:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa
14:28:22 <Lisa> Q?
14:48:19 <Lisa> Agenda?
14:49:34 <Lisa> agenda+ next week  American holiday
14:53:23 <Lisa> present+
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15:02:28 <Lisa> take up item 7
15:02:36 <julierawe> scribe?
15:02:53 <Eric_hind> scribe+ Eric_hind
15:03:34 <julierawe> I cannot attend on Memorial Day
15:04:41 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Memorial Day holiday - no meeting.  We will send out a meeting cancellation
15:04:43 <Lisa> next item
15:04:53 <Lisa> close item 1
15:05:01 <Lisa> next item
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15:05:38 <julierawe> The calls last week were the AG conformance calls on May 11 and May 12
15:05:47 <Becca_Monteleone> present+
15:09:22 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Conformance subgroup meeting recently, focus on proposals over two day.  We will add usability testing as a procedure for end user validation (WCAG 3).  Another new idea is small teams of 3-4 people will review scoring, levels and bring them back to the main group - less conceptual.  E.g. Multiple levels will try to assign provisions to
15:09:22 <Eric_hind> levels.
15:09:33 <Eric_hind> Rachael: That is the next step for the coming weeks.
15:09:52 <julierawe> q+
15:10:43 <Eric_hind> Rachael:  Clarification, scoring levels is a graduated kind of success or meeting a requirement.
15:11:05 <Lisa> ack next
15:11:16 <Eric_hind> Rachael: We are looking for volunteers over the coming weeks - this will be an intense request, please be available for the required period.
15:11:51 <Eric_hind> julierawe: How do we get people involed. Rachael mentioned emails went out - write to the chairs as a whole to get placed if interested.
15:12:10 <julierawe> q?
15:12:15 <Rachael> group-ag-chairs@w3.org
15:12:18 <Eric_hind> Lisa: If not sure, just write to Rachael, Julie, Lisa.
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15:12:37 <LenB> present+
15:13:05 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Clarity that this is not a full subcommittee - Rachael mentions spike just means short exploratory
15:13:09 <Lisa> ack next
15:13:12 <Lisa> next item
15:13:39 <julierawe> Action item: julierawe to email the COGA task force about how to get involved in these short-term conformance exploratory work, also known as "spike"
15:13:46 <Eric_hind> Lisa cannot make this Thursday - may be able make it for a bit.
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15:14:04 <Jennifer> present+
15:14:30 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Help and Feedback pre-read has been emailed out - please do make comments if you can't make the meeting.
15:14:56 <Lisa> draft github issues on support are at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.uubdkgkddw8k
15:16:23 <Eric_hind> julierawe prefers next Thursday to focus on Jennifer work when Jennifer is available
15:16:49 <julierawe> q+
15:17:36 <Lisa> ack next
15:18:27 <Jennifer> q+
15:20:05 <Eric_hind> Jennifer: Mentions that Help is just available, maybe not so easy to find and use - which is a concern from COGA perspective.
15:20:34 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-7-provide-help-and-support
15:20:53 <Lisa> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#objective-7-provide-help-and-support-0
15:21:29 <Eric_hind> Lisa notes that Making Content Usable has a section related to patterns that can be adapted - they were written to facilitate WCAG 2.1 application.
15:22:55 <Eric_hind> Lisa  also notes the links provided in IRC might be applicable to help comprehension, feedback, etc.
15:23:09 <Lisa> ack next
15:24:09 <Lisa> next item
15:25:43 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Research call proposed to be focused on issues that have been brought up from each issue paper.  When time permits, we would work on research top ups - additional research since the point of the original research.
15:25:47 <Lisa> next item
15:28:26 <Eric_hind> LenB: Would be helpful to schedule individuals during  longer calls - so individuals can make particular timeframes that suit them.
15:28:36 <Lisa> next item
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15:29:15 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d2Hpn3iXgI8v_bDzmH4yoICQy9e2OtOtucxcb6CKbbU/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.m9qjkzt2aaut -- taken up [from Lisa]
15:31:13 <Eric_hind> Lisa: From our extensive plan on next version of Making Content Usable - we have delayed to do the WCAG 3 review (we have another 2 months of WCAG 3 review).  We can plan forward for Making Content Usable v2 - we have new material that isn't been shown anywhere, yet.
15:32:45 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Should we change course on it?  Lisa presented an Updated Plans for Making Content Useable v2 which includes Background, Current Proposal work, Strategy Moving Forward and New Plans.
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15:35:52 <Eric_hind> Lisa: We have new template which involves a lot of rewriting - there are 38 templates needed and we have 2 done so far.
15:36:54 <Eric_hind> Lisa: The new version's UI/UX also requires some reprogramming of whatever we fit into the new templates.
15:37:53 <kirkwood> present+
15:38:07 <Eric_hind> Lisa: So we need to consider our forward strategy, mapping out the scope of updating and rewrite versus time required.
15:39:33 <Eric_hind> Lisa: We also need to consider the use of AI as an assist on fitting into the new templates - as content generation that would cut down  the time required per pattern.
15:40:38 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Propose to experiement with various AIs to see if it can be helpful - Some AIs can look at Github which would help.
15:42:07 <Lisa> Q?
15:42:11 <Eric_hind> Lisa: Spending some effort now on AI to understand where our time and effort saving could be, would let us do a better estimate of completion.
15:42:26 <Rachael> q+
15:42:33 <Lisa> ack next
15:42:35 <Eric_hind> q+
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15:43:56 <Eric_hind> Rachael: Propose keeping same structure and just incorporate new guideance.  Ken is available to steward the migration towards a fully updated site.
15:44:53 <Eric_hind> Rachael: See Proposal 3 content
15:44:58 <Lisa> ack next
15:45:08 <julierawe> q?
15:45:58 <julierawe> q?
15:46:00 <julierawe> q+
15:46:05 <Rachael> Proposal: Step 1: Update the Note keeping the same structure and focusing on the design guide Step 2: Ask Ken to use the current design work to create the web site Step 3: Build out the website content Step 4: Update the Note to better integrate with the website
15:46:14 <Eric_hind> Eric_Hind asks about W3C experiences with AI for these kinds of proposals
15:46:23 <Rachael> q+ to say I am not sure what W3c's stance on AI is at this time
15:46:42 <Lisa> ack next
15:47:22 <Eric_hind> Lisa mentions that experiences have shown that expertise in the subject area makes a big difference in how useful AI is.
15:47:57 <Lisa> ack next
15:47:58 <Zakim> Rachael, you wanted to say I am not sure what W3c's stance on AI is at this time
15:48:02 <kirkwood> apologies could note link to google doc (again)?
15:49:33 <julierawe> kirkwood: We are looking at "Proposal 3" tab of this google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d2Hpn3iXgI8v_bDzmH4yoICQy9e2OtOtucxcb6CKbbU/edit?tab=t.i0ghxth87wlq#heading=h.13p9x5ftmhzs
15:49:51 <Eric_hind> Rachael notes that her proposal is around mostly updating content that we have updated first, then Ken create a new site in the new format/web site in parallel
15:50:16 <julierawe> kirkwood (I may have misunderstood your comment above--were you asking for the link we're currently discussing?)
15:50:44 <Eric_hind> Rachael clarifies that by doing this, we can get updated content out fast.
15:51:49 <Eric_hind> Rachael: so we stick with the format we have now, but update the content.
15:52:03 <julierawe> q+
15:53:46 <Lisa> ack next
15:54:54 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Clarity, a note would make it clear that a new site is being developed with new format.
15:54:59 <Eric_hind> q+
15:55:13 <Lisa> ack next
15:58:24 <Eric_hind> Rachael: At some point, the Note would point to the new version.
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16:02:40 <Eric_hind> Lisa: We can consider all this to determine our next steps.  First, we should go over original plan and scope out the time and effort so we have our base timeline.
16:03:31 <Eric_hind> julierawe: Jan might be a good invite on our options.
16:04:23 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/18-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:07:04 <kirkwood> sorry need to drop. lwn i’d be interested in progress iwth that if you want/willing to share process/drafts
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