IRC log of ixml on 2026-05-12

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:54:19 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #ixml

13:54:23 [RRSAgent]

logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/05/12-ixml-irc

13:54:29 [norm_]

rrsagent, set logs world visible

13:54:35 [norm_]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:54:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/12-ixml-minutes.html norm_

13:55:30 [norm_]

Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group

13:55:33 [norm_]

Date: 12 May 2026

13:55:38 [norm_]

Chair: Steven

13:55:44 [norm_]

Scribe: Norm

13:55:48 [norm_]

Regrets: Alan, Bethan

13:56:15 [norm_]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:56:16 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/12-ixml-minutes.html norm_

14:00:35 [norm_]

Present: Nico, Steven, John, David, Norm

14:00:42 [norm_]

Topic: Accept the minutes of the previous meeting

14:00:46 [norm_]

Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/04/28-ixml-minutes

14:01:00 [norm_]

Accepted.

14:01:04 [norm_]

Topic: Review of open actions

14:01:09 [norm_]

2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README)

14:01:25 [norm_]

Steven: I tried, but got caught out by the Codeberg switcheroo

14:01:37 [norm_]

Continues

14:01:41 [norm_]

2026-03-03-b: Bethan to try making the title screen

14:01:45 [norm_]

Continues

14:01:52 [norm_]

2026-04-14-a: Norm to nudge people who haven't supplied slides yet.

14:01:56 [norm_]

Norm tried, will try once more

14:01:59 [norm_]

2026-04-14-b: Bethan: write discussion document on ambiguity

14:02:01 [norm_]

Continues

14:02:12 [norm_]

Topic: Status reports

14:04:18 [norm_]

Steven: Group of students is working on a Rust implementation.

14:04:29 [norm_]

... They've decided to redo it from scratch instead of starting with my implementation.

14:04:43 [norm_]

... They have a parser working, but not a serializer.

14:04:55 [norm_]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:04:56 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/12-ixml-minutes.html norm_

14:05:54 [norm_]

Topic: Progress report on symposium output?

14:05:59 [norm_]

Norm/Bethan still working on it!

14:07:09 [norm_]

Steven: Another status report: someone working on the Provenance specifications at W3C is taking up iXML to write grammars.

14:07:30 [norm_]

... Wants to use round tripping to produce a canonical version, but it's unclear exactly what that means.

14:07:55 [norm_]

Topic: New issues

14:07:56 [norm_]

None

14:08:09 [norm_]

Topic: Open issues

14:08:31 [norm_]

Steven: I was reading up on PEGs, it's just a different way of giving priorities.

14:08:53 [norm_]

... I think we should address the ambiguity topic in a wholistic fashion.

14:09:12 [norm_]

John: I think PEG imposes the constraint that no two rules can have the same priority.

14:09:16 [norm_]

General agreement.

14:10:08 [norm_]

Nico: I am hoping to have progress to demonstrate on using the PEG parser for iXML.

14:10:32 [norm_]

Steven: Let the minutes show appreciation to Norm for getting iXML off of Github

14:11:23 [norm_]

ACTION: everyone to send Codeberg ids to Norm

14:12:15 [norm_]

Topic: Ambiguity topic

14:12:31 [norm_]

Steven: I think we should review Bethan's paper and my paper on the topic as a starting point.

14:12:53 [norm_]

Topic: Modularization

14:14:01 [norm_]

Steven: Norm and I seem to have one disagreement on modularity.

14:14:20 [norm_]

Norm introduces the comparison with RELAX NG introduced by cmsmcq.

14:14:34 [norm_]

ACTION: Norm to send a pointer to the way RELAX NG defines redefinition.

14:15:52 [norm_]

Some discussion of the topic of reuse and redefinition beyond the author's interface.

14:16:14 [norm_]

John: Should we try to have some sort of cryptographic way of storing the grammars?

14:16:19 [norm_]

Norm: That seems unnecessary to me.

14:17:12 [norm_]

John: We don't have to protect people from shooting themselves in the foot.

14:18:44 [norm_]

Some discussion of having some sort of unconference session before MarkupUK

14:19:59 [norm_]

David: Can we have a conversation with the organizers about how to avoid conflicts?

14:20:42 [norm_]

Norm: It's a time and space problem.

14:21:58 [norm_]

Topic: Any other business?

14:22:19 [norm_]

Next meeting: 26 May 2026.

14:22:28 [norm_]

Adjourned

14:22:52 [norm_]

rrsagent, draft minutes

14:22:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/12-ixml-minutes.html norm_

15:54:39 [Steven]

Steven has joined #ixml

15:54:39 [martian-a]

martian-a has joined #ixml

15:54:39 [liam]

liam has joined #ixml