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13:55:30 <norm_> Meeting: Invisible XML Community Group
13:55:33 <norm_> Date: 12 May 2026
13:55:38 <norm_> Chair: Steven
13:55:44 <norm_> Scribe: Norm
13:55:48 <norm_> Regrets: Alan, Bethan
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14:00:35 <norm_> Present: Nico, Steven, John, David, Norm
14:00:42 <norm_> Topic: Accept the minutes of the previous meeting
14:00:46 <norm_> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/04/28-ixml-minutes
14:01:00 <norm_> Accepted.
14:01:04 <norm_> Topic: Review of open actions
14:01:09 <norm_> 2024-03-05-c: SP to prepare pull request to resolve issue #139 (new grammars, new README)
14:01:25 <norm_> Steven: I tried, but got caught out by the Codeberg switcheroo
14:01:37 <norm_> Continues
14:01:41 <norm_> 2026-03-03-b: Bethan to try making the title screen
14:01:45 <norm_> Continues
14:01:52 <norm_> 2026-04-14-a: Norm to nudge people who haven't supplied slides yet.
14:01:56 <norm_> Norm tried, will try once more
14:01:59 <norm_> 2026-04-14-b: Bethan: write discussion document on ambiguity
14:02:01 <norm_> Continues
14:02:12 <norm_> Topic: Status reports
14:04:18 <norm_> Steven: Group of students is working on a Rust implementation.
14:04:29 <norm_> ... They've decided to redo it from scratch instead of starting with my implementation.
14:04:43 <norm_> ... They have a parser working, but not a serializer.
14:04:55 <norm_> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:05:54 <norm_> Topic: Progress report on symposium output?
14:05:59 <norm_> Norm/Bethan still working on it!
14:07:09 <norm_> Steven: Another status report: someone working on the Provenance specifications at W3C is taking up iXML to write grammars.
14:07:30 <norm_> ... Wants to use round tripping to produce a canonical version, but it's unclear exactly what that means.
14:07:55 <norm_> Topic: New issues
14:07:56 <norm_> None
14:08:09 <norm_> Topic: Open issues
14:08:31 <norm_> Steven: I was reading up on PEGs, it's just a different way of giving priorities.
14:08:53 <norm_> ... I think we should address the ambiguity topic in a wholistic fashion.
14:09:12 <norm_> John: I think PEG imposes the constraint that no two rules can have the same priority.
14:09:16 <norm_> General agreement.
14:10:08 <norm_> Nico: I am hoping to have progress to demonstrate on using the PEG parser for iXML.
14:10:32 <norm_> Steven: Let the minutes show appreciation to Norm for getting iXML off of Github
14:11:23 <norm_> ACTION: everyone to send Codeberg ids to Norm
14:12:15 <norm_> Topic: Ambiguity topic
14:12:31 <norm_> Steven: I think we should review Bethan's paper and my paper on the topic as a starting point.
14:12:53 <norm_> Topic: Modularization
14:14:01 <norm_> Steven: Norm and I seem to have one disagreement on modularity.
14:14:20 <norm_> Norm introduces the comparison with RELAX NG introduced by cmsmcq.
14:14:34 <norm_> ACTION: Norm to send a pointer to the way RELAX NG defines redefinition.
14:15:52 <norm_> Some discussion of the topic of reuse and redefinition beyond the author's interface.
14:16:14 <norm_> John: Should we try to have some sort of cryptographic way of storing the grammars?
14:16:19 <norm_> Norm: That seems unnecessary to me.
14:17:12 <norm_> John: We don't have to protect people from shooting themselves in the foot.
14:18:44 <norm_> Some discussion of having some sort of unconference session before MarkupUK
14:19:59 <norm_> David: Can we have a conversation with the organizers about how to avoid conflicts?
14:20:42 <norm_> Norm: It's a time and space problem.
14:21:58 <norm_> Topic: Any other business?
14:22:19 <norm_> Next meeting: 26 May 2026.
14:22:28 <norm_> Adjourned
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