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10:52:47 <AndyS> zakim, start meeting
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10:52:49 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndyS
10:53:07 <AndyS> meeting: Data Shapes WG
10:53:07 <AndyS> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/plenary-2026-05-11.md
10:53:07 <AndyS> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/05/04-data-shapes-minutes.html
10:53:07 <AndyS> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/05/18-data-shapes-minutes.html
10:53:09 <agendabot> clear agenda
10:53:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Deliverables status
10:53:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Task Force reports
10:53:09 <agendabot> agenda+ General Business
10:53:28 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
10:53:37 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
10:53:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/11-data-shapes-minutes.html AndyS
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11:03:35 <AndyS> agenda?
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11:04:57 <HolgerK> scribe: HolgerK
11:05:16 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
11:05:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/11-data-shapes-minutes.html AndyS
11:05:24 <nicholascar> topic: Consider publishing Profiling and UI to /TR/
11:05:24 <Les> present+
11:05:33 <edmond> present+
11:05:47 <HolgerK> nicholascar: Will do that this week
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11:07:14 <HolgerK> ... so far minimal feedback from this first stage, for Core and SPARQL
11:07:29 <HolgerK> ... hoping for more feedback related to UI
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11:08:14 <HolgerK> ... will register the specs in review stage
11:08:15 <simonstey> present+
11:08:30 <AndyS> q+
11:08:41 <nicholascar> ack Andy
11:08:45 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
11:08:50 <HolgerK> AndyS: We need to formally vote to more to TR
11:09:02 <HolgerK> nicholascar: We probably already voted on the short names
11:09:34 <HolgerK> AndyS: FPWD triggers patents process
11:10:03 <HolgerK> ... should check with Carine
11:10:39 <HolgerK> ... Rules document not quite there yet
11:11:20 <HolgerK> ... doesn't need votes, already TR
11:12:02 <nicholascar> topic: CS to be a Note
11:12:49 <HolgerK> nicholascar: no responses from Compact Syntax editors, now the timeline for recommendation is over
11:13:24 <HolgerK> ... any comments from people here (crickets)
11:14:04 <HolgerK> HolgerK: No updates on Core, SPARQL, Node Expressions
11:14:29 <ajnelson-nist> q+
11:14:31 <HolgerK> nicholascar: Profiles update
11:14:54 <HolgerK> ... we do need a vocabulary
11:15:23 <HolgerK> ... all relevant terms are already in Core
11:15:42 <HolgerK> ... preference is to just add a few terms to Core as it's not worth their own vocab
11:17:30 <HolgerK> ... will create a ticket for this
11:18:14 <ajnelson-nist> I posted Issue 882, which challenges a property-chain axiom in PROF. https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/882
11:18:14 <HolgerK> ... so profiles will only use sh:, rdfs: owl: namespaces
11:18:29 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
11:19:25 <HolgerK> ajnelson-nist: will assign ticket to nicholascar
11:19:38 <nicholascar> q?
11:20:05 <HolgerK> edmond: UI update
11:20:18 <HolgerK> ... not much, a few active PRs
11:20:48 <HolgerK> AndyS: Rules update
11:21:16 <HolgerK> ... next step to review the whole document for flow, reasonable coverage
11:21:31 <HolgerK> ... needs security section
11:21:57 <HolgerK> ... (denial of service etc)
11:22:30 <HolgerK> ... simonstey is drafting a Note, moving from SHACL-AF to SHACL 1.2 Rules
11:23:46 <HolgerK> ... discussion on whether such a Note requires formal vote/process
11:24:47 <HolgerK> ... alternative would be a live document on wiki
11:26:04 <HolgerK> simonstey: At Siemens we use SHACL-AF rules a lot, and expect rules feedback
11:27:55 <HolgerK> AndyS: questions on whether Rules needs to accommodate different rule types
11:28:18 <HolgerK> nicholascar: Implementation Report
11:28:55 <AndyS> https://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/data-shapes-test-suite/
11:30:13 <HolgerK> ... discussion on what needs to be delivered based on EARL reports
11:32:08 <HolgerK> ... important to pass the CR phase
11:32:21 <HolgerK> ... with 2 implementations required of each feature
11:32:44 <HolgerK> nicholascar: will review what other WGs are doing w.r.t. impl reports.
11:33:09 <AndyS> q+
11:33:47 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
11:34:14 <HolgerK> AndyS: long term maintenance of tests, it may be better outside of WG, e.g. community group
11:34:23 <nicholascar> How about in https://github.com/w3c/shacl-resources?
11:35:40 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/
11:36:54 <HolgerK> nicholascar: needs to be synched with impl report
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11:37:48 <simonstey> +1
11:38:16 <HolgerK> HolgerK: Impl report should be dynamically generated
11:39:20 <nicholascar> Request from Profiling TF: can the Rules TF review this inclusion of a Rules specification in the Profiling doc: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/data-shapes/profiling-vocab-start/shacl12-profiling/index.html#rule-conformsto
11:40:50 <HolgerK> topic: General business
11:40:52 <ajnelson-nist> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pull/576
11:41:21 <HolgerK> ajnelson-nist: PR-576 nobody provided feedback, so I'll close it
11:43:21 <HolgerK> rrsagent, make minutes
11:43:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/11-data-shapes-minutes.html HolgerK
11:43:35 <HolgerK> zakim, end meeting
11:43:35 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AndyS, HolgerK, ieben, Livio, mgberg, nicholascar, elianaP, Les, bergos, ajnelson-nist, edmond, simonstey
11:43:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
11:43:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/05/11-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
11:43:43 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, HolgerK; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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