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12:05:04 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group
12:06:16 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Details 2026-05-07: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2026May/0006.html
12:06:17 <ivan> Chair: wendy
12:06:17 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco
12:06:17 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2026May/0006.html
12:06:18 <ivan> regrets+ brady
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13:02:33 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:03:51 <wendyreid> Topic: Resolutions from last week
13:03:56 <CharlesL> scribe+ gautierchomel_
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13:04:05 <gautierchomel_> topic: Finalize resolutions from last week
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13:04:35 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: following up last week discussions, about going to ISO.
13:04:36 <wendyreid> PROPOSED: Once the liaison with SC34 is established, we will submit EPUB 3.4, EPUB Reading Systems 3.4, and EPUB Accessibility 1.2 as drafts for their review.
13:04:50 <Makoto> +1
13:04:52 <CharlesL> +1
13:04:57 <ivan> present+ makotomurata
13:05:52 <Makoto> Hopefully in May.
13:06:34 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: it's about sending a draft to speed up later process.
13:06:53 <DaleRogers> +1
13:07:22 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: Once the liaison with SC34 is established, we will submit EPUB 3.4, EPUB Reading Systems 3.4, and EPUB Accessibility 1.2 as drafts for their review.
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13:07:49 <wendyreid> PROPOSED: We will submit EPUB 3.4, EPUB Reading Systems 3.4, and EPUB Accessibility 1.2 to ISO as part of the PAS process when all documents reach recommendation status.
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13:08:29 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: this is to agree on submiting the final W3C reviewed once it is done.
13:08:34 <ivan> q+
13:08:37 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:09:35 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: We will submit EPUB 3.4, EPUB Reading Systems 3.4, and EPUB Accessibility 1.2 to ISO as part of the PAS process when all documents reach recommendation status.
13:09:50 <wendyreid> Topic: Rechartering
13:09:58 <wendyreid> https://w3c.github.io/publ-maintenance-wg-charter/#deliverables
13:10:06 <wendyreid> https://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2025%2F02%2Fpmwg-charter.html&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fw3c.github.io%2Fpubl-maintenance-wg-charter%2F
13:10:28 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: those are a draft and a diff.
13:11:09 <AvneeshSingh> q+
13:11:14 <ivan> q+
13:11:32 <Hadrien> q+
13:11:49 <gautierchomel_> ...  we reworked the scope. and the timeline  We may want to include other things.
13:11:58 <wendyreid> ack AvneeshSingh
13:12:47 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:13:04 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: the timeline lokks tight, we may need more time. Also I see conflict between adopting new technologies and maintaining compatibility.
13:13:26 <shiestyle> s/lokks/looks/
13:14:05 <gautierchomel_> ivan: we changed the iso paragraphe, otherwise the rest is identical.
13:14:11 <wendyreid> s/adopting new technologies/adopting new technologies for sync media like WebVTT/
13:15:34 <gautierchomel_> ... It is not in contradiction because we are limited in what we can do. Removing completly SMIL is not possible, we are bound to backward compatibility.
13:16:46 <gautierchomel_> ivan: anotations aside, my impression is that this is ready to go, some editorial changes but nothing significant. 3,4 can go to CR before summer hope we don't get blocking reviews.
13:18:21 <gautierchomel_> ivan: regarding 3,5, we want to avoid maintaining two documents in parrallel, that's why 3,5 first draft should began after 3,4 is done. It is not a problem to start discussing 3.5 before.
13:18:32 <gautierchomel_> s/3,5/3.5/
13:18:36 <GeorgeK> q?
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13:19:20 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
13:19:21 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: 11 months between snapshot and rec is a lot.
13:20:10 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: I'm not worried about the timeline for 3.5, some things have been discussed and are already implemented, tools allow to generate time fragments.
13:20:44 <gautierchomel_> ... I think a mid term face to face meeting would be good in the process.
13:21:18 <ivan> q+
13:21:34 <gautierchomel_> ... on annotations, we can discuss further if it  belongs to 3.4 or 3.5.
13:21:53 <AvneeshSingh> q+
13:22:07 <wendyreid> ack GeorgeK
13:22:09 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: exploring text fragment is not tied to VTT in my mind, so I see no contradiction here.
13:23:41 <gautierchomel_> GeorgeK: after discussion with ISO folks, it seems we should push to REC, Annotation should not slow the process
13:24:07 <gautierchomel_> ivan: Annotation can bve separated from 3.4 or 3.5, we don't have to decide to tie it to one or another.
13:24:58 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:25:02 <gautierchomel_> GeorgeK: I want to be sure we align the CG work to allow time for proper community feedback.
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13:31:03 <sueneu> q-
13:31:12 <wendyreid> ack AvneeshSingh
13:32:00 <gautierchomel_> Ivan: to be very formal, separating both would bloc the ongoing work on media overlay, that's why we propose this combined charter instead of waiting the end of this charter to create a new one.
13:32:37 <ivan> q-
13:32:38 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
13:32:46 <gautierchomel_> Ivan: I'm exicted to ear about sign language, not sure how far we are from having it.
13:33:43 <sueneu> s/ear/hear
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13:34:07 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: the ongoing work is important to be done now, there are business reasons, people will implement, they need a standard or they will go theyre way.
13:34:32 <sueneu> s/theyre/there
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13:36:21 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: Daniel did this implementation in Thorium, we had identified issues, that's why we want to discuss it further, we are not 100% satisfied with the existing and want to do it the right way.
13:36:31 <Hadrien> q+
13:37:17 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
13:37:21 <gautierchomel_> AvneeshSingh: I think it is a separate bullet with liaison with sync media CG. That would be a good way. Marysa has thing to say on this.
13:37:22 <sueneu> s/ear/hear/
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13:38:35 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: I see 3 categories of items: fixing the spec; content model (actual restrictions we put on SMIL); and experimental things like text frament and video
13:38:54 <wendyreid> s/Marysa/Marisa/
13:40:04 <gautierchomel_> ... text fragment is solving cases with different layouts, peolple ar implementing that, so we'll have feedback soon. Video and image is different.
13:40:22 <sueneu> s/peolple/people/
13:40:56 <sueneu> q+
13:41:01 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:41:01 <gautierchomel_> ... probably thing to be shown at the end of the year because EAA put pressure on visual narratives.and I am quite excited to think about implementing video syncronisation.
13:41:44 <gautierchomel_> ivan: Hadrien, it would be ideal if you can make a PR on the charter with all that.
13:42:30 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
13:42:39 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: works for me.
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13:44:29 <gautierchomel_> ivan: we all need to remember to not be too detailed in the charter, keep things open.
13:45:49 <gautierchomel_> ivan: can we have a resolution to state we start with this draft?
13:45:57 <gpellegrino> q+
13:46:00 <wendyreid> ack gpellegrino
13:46:16 <gautierchomel_> gpellegrino: I need a bit more time to review and comment.
13:46:34 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: I'll also send to the CG and BG to get feedback.
13:47:04 <wendyreid> Topic: Merging Annotation Sets
13:47:13 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2997
13:47:19 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/issues/2998
13:47:28 <Hadrien> q+
13:48:10 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
13:48:13 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: not to be resolved today, we wait for Laurent, but we can discuss a bit. How can we be sure that anntoations are for this book.
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13:50:22 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:50:24 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: it's probable that most RS will manage notes in local databases, and export on user demand. It's the reasonable way to have it implemented shortly, so anotations will not live aside. For book identification, it's complex, nothing magical, unique identifiers are note suficiently unique. The RS may alert, reject or try something.
13:51:06 <sueneu> s/note suficiently/not sufficiently/
13:51:19 <Hadrien> q+
13:52:09 <gautierchomel_> ivan: that's clear, how RS manage annotations is not our business. But we may need to explicitly state that in the note. Same for the behavior on corecteness of annotation relation to a book.
13:52:15 <wendyreid> ack wendyreid
13:52:48 <sueneu> s/corecteness/correctness/
13:52:55 <ivan> q+
13:54:09 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
13:54:19 <gautierchomel_> wendyreid: still we should provide as much pointers as possible on how to handle those parts.
13:54:49 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
13:55:07 <gautierchomel_> sueneu: should we provide guidance on allowing users to delete an import
13:56:01 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: there are several usecases, maybe I don't have book context, I import annotations from inside a bookshelf or from inside a book
13:56:34 <sueneu> s/usecases/use cases/
13:57:09 <DaleRogers> q+
13:58:04 <gautierchomel_> ... RS compare metadata, if it does not find, it can allow user to select a book. There need to be a second check to see if it fits, but in some cases, I may not have access to the book selectors, like if it is expired. Si software may have access to the file or not. Warning user is always a good idea. RS consider that the user is always right, he may have a good reason to do that.
13:58:18 <wendyreid> ack ivan
13:58:19 <gautierchomel_> ... trying to do too well can lead to user complains
13:59:10 <gautierchomel_> ivan: annotation set has it's own metadata, those should be kept, so this is important to realise.
13:59:13 <wendyreid> ack DaleRogers
13:59:43 <Hadrien> q+
13:59:51 <gautierchomel_> DaleRogers: will we have a validator for annotation package? Is it part of our process or responsability of other groups?
13:59:56 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:00:00 <gautierchomel_> ivan: we have JSON schema, that's all.
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14:01:04 <gautierchomel_> Hadrien: if the software has access to files, it will not make much use of annotations metadatas, while for solutions that have no access to file those metadata will be important.
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