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14:54:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:55:07 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
14:55:33 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
14:55:43 <Fazio> Agenda+ New Business
14:55:43 <Fazio> Agenda+ Follow Up with Mark and Jeff on Github Issues #328 #331
14:55:43 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #335 Clarify impact on product deliver
14:55:43 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #323 Strengthen motivation for procurement language
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15:04:21 <CharlesL> Zakim, next item
15:04:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Business -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:04:40 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: New Book Published!
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15:05:56 <CharlesL> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1041018681/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
15:07:43 <CharlesL> ... published with T&F, which is GCA certified by Benetech
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15:10:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Follow Up with Mark and Jeff on Github Issues #328 #331 -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:10:38 <SusiPallero> Present+
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15:11:12 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/331
15:11:13 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/331 -> Issue 331 "Proof points" language unclear (by iadawn)
15:11:19 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/334
15:11:20 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/334 -> Issue 334 Improve the About section (by iadawn)
15:11:47 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: maybe we don't need an about section.
15:12:07 <CharlesL> ... we rewrote the abstract (Mark, Jeff and Claude AI)
15:12:59 <CharlesL> ..., we removed the about section, and we rewrote How to use the model.
15:13:28 <CharlesL> ..., I didn't not rewrite the customizing part as it looked in good order.
15:14:06 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: we did this illustratively. love the feedback,
15:14:19 <CharlesL> Fazio: Where is this now?
15:14:27 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: emails back and forth.
15:14:34 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: we can put it in Google Docs.
15:14:51 <CharlesL> Fazio: if you have it handy please share it with the group.
15:14:58 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: should we do a google Docs then?
15:15:08 <CharlesL> Fazio: Yes, but there can be issues with Google Docs.
15:15:34 <CharlesL> janina: I don't do Google Docs, I export it to Docs
15:15:52 <CharlesL> ..., anything in MarkDown I am good
15:16:15 <CharlesL> ..., change tracking is difficult. We should all re-read this.
15:16:45 <CharlesL> ..., lets not nit-pic only substantive changes / issues.
15:17:32 <CharlesL> Fazio: two versions maybe one we can comment on and one maybe to read.
15:17:53 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: I will be curious if Janina if this works for you
15:18:08 <CharlesL> https://www.notion.so/jeffadams/About-Abstract-Current-Draft-358a25b4c196800f883cf1974e4b15e6?source=copy_link
15:18:39 <CharlesL> ..., this is a Notion Doc that allows for suggestions / comments we will find out how accessible it is.
15:18:59 <CharlesL> ..., I will follow up with a Google Doc afterwards
15:19:08 <SusiPallero> +1
15:20:34 <SusiPallero> got it
15:21:00 <CharlesL> ..., Claude AI Desktop can connect with this and you tell what the AI can/cant do.
15:23:42 <CharlesL> ..., When we put it into GitHub, that we are treating 328 and 334 together, but be clear in the wording. We don't want the About / Abstract separately.
15:24:16 <CharlesL> Fazio: Yes we can specify that multiple issues are tagged with a PR.
15:24:38 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: #345 repetition, I worked on this too.
15:25:03 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/345
15:25:04 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/345 -> Issue 345 Repetition in 'how to evaluate...' (by iadawn)
15:25:37 <CharlesL> ..., I can put it directly into Github if you ant.
15:25:53 <CharlesL> ..., the how to evaluate sections.
15:26:39 <CharlesL> Fazio: yes send that to the group as well.
15:26:42 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: when I create a google doc for 328 / 334, I can also provide this 345 work as well.
15:26:54 <CharlesL> ..., it is a long revision.
15:27:09 <CharlesL> ..., will put it in a doc and will send it along
15:27:42 <SusiPallero> no
15:30:11 <CharlesL> Charles: Correction: it is not 331 the github issue is 328.
15:30:22 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/328
15:30:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/328 -> Issue 328 Clarify what model can do in abstract (by iadawn)
15:31:44 <CharlesL> zakim, next item
15:31:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Github Issue #335 Clarify impact on product deliver -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:31:54 <CharlesL> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/335
15:31:55 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/335 -> Issue 335 Clarify impact on product deliver (by iadawn)
15:32:47 <CharlesL> Fazio: Issue: The AMM covers the accessibility of the organisational environment but hints that it is important for delivery of accessible products - these are two different things but this is not clear.
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15:35:19 <CharlesL> jeffK: The MM covers this some company uses products where others build products. I don't understand.
15:36:26 <Mark_Miller> q+
15:36:32 <CharlesL> janina: If what he is asking for is unclear, or we need further information we can ask for clarification or suggestions.
15:38:15 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: we went to lengths to avoid the word "inclusion" on purpose to avoid potential issues. i.e. support dimension.
15:38:27 <CharlesL> janina: we are web focused.
15:39:04 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: point to all the 2025 exec orders, we are trying to make this adoptable even from Gov. organizations.
15:39:52 <CharlesL> Fazio: we are about everything going into the process not for creating the products which ISO addresses.
15:41:17 <CharlesL> ..., I will point out the differences from our model with ISOs.
15:42:01 <CharlesL> JeffAdams-UN: same with Culture.
15:42:08 <CharlesL> ack Mark_Miller
15:42:34 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: if we go back to what Janina says, lets ask for examples from him directly.
15:43:32 <CharlesL> ..., working on the organization and making that accessible. the inclusive of the org helps support creating a11y digital assets.
15:44:16 <CharlesL> ..., just lets have him explain further.
15:44:26 <CharlesL> janina: Yes, we can do that.
15:45:15 <CharlesL> Fazio: don't we want these part of the same, there is no value to separate it.
15:46:14 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: I would just say, "We are trying to address this issue, we still don't understand your point."
15:46:23 <CharlesL> Sheri_B-H: We also had the deliberate choice to inclusivity
15:48:22 <CharlesL> s/inclusivity/not include inclusion
15:49:37 <CharlesL> JeffK: "This maturity model takes a holistic approach"
15:50:15 <CharlesL> Mark_Miller: KIS "We don't understand your issue"
15:53:24 <CharlesL> s/KIS//
15:56:05 <Fazio> comment to issue #335 We have discussed this issue at length on 05/06/2026. We believe that an accessible environment and accessible product development are one and the same, and would like to better understand the distinction that you see in separating them.
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15:57:41 <CharlesL> zakim, end meeting
15:57:41 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Sheri_B-H, JeffAdams-UN, CharlesL, Crispy, Mark_Miller, jkline, janina, SusiPallero
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