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13:52:21 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2026May/0001
13:52:38 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:52:38 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:52:38 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/03/20-forms-minutes
13:53:12 <Steven> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/04/10-forms-minutes
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14:00:54 <Steven> Topic: Best practices for beforeunload
14:00:54 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2026May/0000
14:02:20 <Steven> [We read]
14:04:56 <Steven> Steven: I think visibilitychange happens before unload actually
14:05:50 <Steven> Erik: I've never used visibilitychanged, not sure if we need it.
14:06:05 <Steven> ... if you continually backup, you don't really need it
14:06:45 <Steven> Steven: SO you think tht beforeunload is the only one we need
14:06:53 <Steven> Erik: It is a solution
14:07:00 <Steven> s/SO/So/
14:07:29 <Steven> Erik: It is reasonable to expose 'visibilitychange' to XForms
14:07:50 <Steven> ... though the handler for that has to be very quick
14:08:46 <Steven> Alain: it is not possible to customise the dialogue, so it is not perfect.
14:09:24 <Steven> Erik: The problem with beforeunload, most users won't seethe dialogue
14:09:44 <Steven> ... as long as you keep the data safe continually
14:10:13 <Steven> s/seethe/see the/
14:12:01 <Steven> Erik: To do it properly, you need to register the handler.
14:12:29 <Steven> ... but that handler disturbs the cache, which is a problem.
14:13:41 <Steven> \Steven: SO that sounds like we need a way to say "Data is dirty/clean" dynamically
14:13:47 <Steven> s/SO/So/
14:15:25 <Steven> Erik: Or dynamic listener activation
14:15:37 <Steven> ... such as a relevant on <action>
14:15:49 <Steven> Steven: That might work.
14:16:46 <Steven> ... <action relevant="instance('admin')/state='dirty'" ev:event="beforeunload">
14:18:19 <Steven> Steven: I propose we keep reading and thinking about solutions for this.
14:18:51 <Steven> Topic: Next Meeting
14:18:56 <Steven> \Steven 8 May
14:19:24 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:19:31 <Steven> Present: Alain, Steven, Erik
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