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14:54:03 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:54:08 <julierawe> date: 20 apr 2026
14:54:13 <julierawe> chair: julierawe
14:54:16 <julierawe> present+
14:54:19 <julierawe> agernda?
14:54:21 <julierawe> agenda?
14:54:30 <julierawe> zakim, clear agenda
14:54:30 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:55:46 <julierawe> agenda+ Update on COGA review of WCAG 3
14:56:32 <julierawe> agenda+ Should COGA update its user needs and functional needs? If so, how and where?
14:56:35 <julierawe> agenda?
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14:58:27 <julierawe> regrets+ Lisa, EA, Eric
14:59:37 <Lisa> present+
15:00:35 <julierawe> agenda+ Reminder about this week's subgroup calls
15:00:45 <julierawe> agenda+ Reminder to sign up to scribe, thank you!
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15:06:26 <julierawe> agenda?
15:06:29 <Becca_Monteleone> present_
15:06:33 <Becca_Monteleone> present+
15:06:36 <johnkirkwood> present+ kirkwood
15:06:38 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 4
15:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Reminder to sign up to scribe, thank you! -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:06:39 <Becca_Monteleone> scribe: Becca_Monteleone
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15:06:53 <LenB> present+
15:07:12 <julierawe> Link to our scribe list: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15HtPkkYx1CIl6bAwP2nsSZKhqTVbqcuMDRz5RmtmvXg/edit?tab=t.8zemqdwbcwtr
15:07:44 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 3
15:07:44 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Reminder about this week's subgroup calls -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:08:15 <Lisa> Q+
15:08:18 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: research subgroup meeting tomorrow at usual time. Usual thursday COGA review of WCAG 3 call
15:08:21 <julierawe> ack Lisa
15:08:49 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: Research subgroup has now been moved to Tuesdays at 9 ET (used to be Thursday). Reminder to attend new time
15:09:09 <julierawe> W3C calendar link for tomorrow's research call at 9am Boston time: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/3263a635-3a48-4d90-944c-e0bbc9f8f47a/20260421T090000/
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15:09:31 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: Thursday call also started at 9 ET
15:09:31 <Jan> present+
15:09:49 <julierawe> zakim, take up item 1
15:09:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Update on COGA review of WCAG 3 -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:11:04 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: COGA working on process for how to review WCAG 3. Streamlining voting process to vote directly into Google doc.
15:12:07 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: will send out github issues to get asynchronous feedback, but will meet as Thursday group to make sure wording is agreed upon before doing that.
15:12:26 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: wording will be finalized before voting
15:12:43 <Lisa> Q+
15:12:50 <julierawe> ack Lisa
15:14:29 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: the main purpose of initial send out will be to gather initial feedback and then Thursday group will reach consensus on wording and then will circulate for final approval
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15:15:19 <tiffanyburtin> Present+
15:15:34 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: example with general issues that Thursday group aligned on this week
15:16:02 <julierawe> Action item: COGA task force to vote on the general issues that the Thursday group aligned on last week: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.u8djtsijtiud
15:16:27 <julierawe> Please submit your vote for each general issue by adding +1, -1, 0 in the google doc
15:18:11 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: unless there are serious objections, consensus on these issues close today
15:19:16 <Lisa> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cognitive-a11y-tf/2026Apr/0013.html
15:20:25 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: plan to submit issues to AG tomorrow morning so vote on Google doc by end of day Monday April 20
15:20:52 <julierawe> Updated action item: Vote by the end of today (April 20)
15:21:53 <Lisa>  Issue G1: Please adjust 3.1.1 - the definitions of core and
15:21:53 <Lisa>    supplemental, so WCAG is more equitable.
15:21:53 <Lisa>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.893gyvzag5qf>
15:21:53 <Lisa>    -
15:21:54 <Lisa>    Issue G2: Assertions should be core or supplemental.
15:21:54 <Lisa>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.97qbn8g09194>
15:21:54 <Lisa>    -
15:21:55 <Lisa>    Issue G3: Assertions are too long and hard to follow. Please replace
15:21:55 <Lisa>    the  text of how to write an assertion, with a link.
15:21:55 <Lisa>    <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.luspgrq7hf>
15:22:04 <julierawe> To vote, go to this tab in the google doc and enter your vote for the three issues: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.xhbqn69zszr5#heading=h.u8djtsijtiud
15:23:19 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: John and julie have done initial review of interactive components section. Draft issues sent out on Friday for first 4 subsections, will send update with a few more issues today
15:23:29 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: to be discussed on Thursday
15:24:05 <julierawe> This Thursday we will have initial discussion of the "Interactive Components" section: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.qrwl38yxhls4#heading=h.bol0fq7zyoei
15:24:12 <julierawe> zakim, next item
15:24:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Should COGA update its user needs and functional needs? If so, how and where? -- taken up [from julierawe]
15:25:13 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: Len created a comprehensive list of COGA user needs in COGA publications
15:25:24 <julierawe> Len used AI to compile a list of COGA user needs: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dIx9tEnG4xVPfUhacHpTeBrXVFJL6YYLK5si41oI4AY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9myp61g5tbup
15:26:49 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: we get user needs from different places - research modules, feedback from community groups, other research, open issues in Github and comments list
15:27:05 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: sometimes AG identifies user need that we haven't identified
15:27:33 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: we need to collect and consolidate them so that we have a more comprehensive list for the next version of Making Content Usable
15:28:20 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: questions - where do we store them? is it grounded in the research? how do we assess if the user need is legitimate?
15:29:22 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: need to document where these user needs come from and what they are based on (research, consensus, anecdote, etc.)
15:30:25 <Becca_Monteleone> Len: in review of WCAG 3, noted that there had been a lot of good identification of user needs among the group without supporting research
15:32:11 <Becca_Monteleone> Len: e.g., in review of text section of WCAG 3, we noticed that there was guidance around readable font - there seemed to be a gap in our identification of user needs, even though could point to some of the research that supports this
15:32:36 <Becca_Monteleone> Len: some of the gaps may require an issue paper and others may not, but needs to be decided upon as a group
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15:33:48 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: identifying two issues - we don't have a long list of user needs around text appearance AND we don't have the research module for this
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15:34:30 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: what's a process that can help us capture what we need around user needs?
15:35:03 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: how can we think about what else might be missing? Someone suggested, for example, time blindness as a functional need
15:35:37 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: could start with a google doc or spreadsheet. Start with Len and Jan's suggestions and then start a running list
15:36:45 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: could start with Len's google doc and start different tabs for different sources: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dIx9tEnG4xVPfUhacHpTeBrXVFJL6YYLK5si41oI4AY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9myp61g5tbup
15:38:02 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: be careful about noting where each user need is coming from so that we can refer back
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15:39:16 <Becca_Monteleone> LenBN: some of the gaps may require an issue paper and others may not, but needs to be decided upon as a group
15:40:27 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: New tabs on doc to refer to location of each user need being identified. Draft table included.
15:41:18 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: need to check that these user needs are actually excluded from COGA docs and not just worded differently or located elsewhere
15:42:35 <Lisa> https://github.com/w3c/coga/issues
15:44:13 <Becca_Monteleone> COGA issues on github and comments list are places where people may suggest new user needs
15:45:39 <Becca_Monteleone> Comments list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-coga-comments/
15:46:43 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: COGA community group has a google doc with an entire section on user needs as well
15:48:41 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: need for separate tables for sources?
15:49:00 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: may be easier to identify where it's from if tables are separate
15:50:50 <julierawe> present?
15:51:00 <julierawe> present+ tiffanyburtin
15:51:10 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: suggest a separate tab for WCAG 3 review since we will need to break it up by section
15:51:37 <julierawe> present+ LenB
15:52:24 <julierawe> present+ Jennifer
15:53:52 <Becca_Monteleone> LenB: having WCAG review separate may allow us to a) show AG our work and b) prioritize where we go
15:54:51 <Becca_Monteleone> Julierawe: reminder to people who cannot attend WCAG 3 review meetings on Thursdays to please submit asynchronous feedback
15:55:23 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: in need of more people to volunteer to review sections of WCAG 3
15:55:31 <Lisa> Q+
15:55:39 <julierawe> ack Lisa
15:55:42 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: please let julie know if there are barriers to participate
15:56:08 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: suggesting that if reviewing alone feels daunting, working in pairs is possible
15:56:47 <Becca_Monteleone> Lisa: sections vary in length, so shorter reviews are possible
15:57:35 <Becca_Monteleone> Johnkirkwood: reviewing user need themes - one of the major themes that seems like it should appear here is Memory
15:57:56 <Becca_Monteleone> User Need Themes: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dIx9tEnG4xVPfUhacHpTeBrXVFJL6YYLK5si41oI4AY/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.9myp61g5tbup
15:59:23 <Becca_Monteleone> julierawe: interesting that AI tool did not flag Memory - view this AI summary as a work in progress
15:59:57 <Becca_Monteleone> LenB: raises questions about how we should structure. Map on to WCAG 3? Take a different structure?
16:00:15 <Becca_Monteleone> LenB: there are only 2 provisions in WCAG 3 that refer to memory
16:01:58 <julierawe> rrsagent, make minutes
16:02:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/04/20-coga-minutes.html julierawe