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13:40:29 <Steven> Meeting: XForms Group Weekly Teleconference
13:40:29 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:40:29 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/03/20-forms-minutes
13:41:08 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2026Apr/0005
13:41:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:41:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/04/10-forms-minutes.html Steven
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14:01:07 <Steven> Topic: Declarative text for <insert/>
14:01:07 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_insert_Element
14:01:17 <Steven> Steven: I inserted the text in the spec
14:01:35 <Steven> ... if there are no comments, I will close the issue
14:02:08 <Steven> Topic: Detecting/Ignoring unsaved data
14:02:08 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/2022/01/21-forms-minutes#t03
14:05:41 <Steven> [We read the previous discussion]
14:06:35 <Steven> Erik: THe browser has before-unload, a very unusual event, and you can register for it, the browser will handle the response in a special way.
14:06:41 <Steven> s/TH/Th/
14:07:11 <Steven> \... browsers don't like you to register that handler. They disable some caches.
14:08:34 <Steven> ... navigation becomes fast when those caches are available
14:08:56 <Steven> ... the recommendation is you register the handler only when you have dirty data.
14:09:45 <Steven> Steven: So registering the handler is the signal that you don;t want people to leave without warning?
14:09:48 <Steven> Erik: Yes
14:09:54 <Steven> s/;/'/
14:10:32 <Steven> Erik: There are often new APIs, there may be better ways.
14:10:57 <Steven> Erik: Browsers fdo complicated stuff in the lifecycle of a page
14:11:06 <Steven> s/fdo/do/
14:11:30 <Steven> ... before-unload is probably very old
14:12:33 <Steven> ACTION: Steven research best practices for before-unload
14:13:20 <Steven> Alain: It's about submission not yet performed.
14:13:42 <Steven> ... not all instances need to be saved.
14:14:24 <Steven> Steven: A declarative way to say "These things must be saved before exit"?
14:14:27 <Steven> Alain: Yes
14:14:49 <Steven> ... or maybe with an action set.
14:15:13 <Steven> ... It's not easy stuff
14:15:28 <Steven> Erik: Some data doesn't need to be saved, such as a search field
14:15:53 <Steven> Topic: Next meeting
14:15:57 <Steven> Alain: Regrests
14:16:21 <Steven> Steven: Next meeting 24 April.
14:16:31 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
14:16:43 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:16:47 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:16:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/04/10-forms-minutes.html Steven
14:17:49 <Steven> s/Regrests/Regrets/
14:17:53 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:17:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/04/10-forms-minutes.html Steven
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