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15:59:42 <AutomatedTester> Meeting: April 2026 - Browser Testing and Tools WG Meeting
15:59:55 <AutomatedTester> agenda: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebDriver/2026-04-BiDi
15:59:59 <AutomatedTester> Chair: David Burns
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16:06:22 <AutomatedTester> Topic: Reminder to review the PR for screencasting API
16:06:36 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/pull/1069
16:07:35 <orkon> q+
16:07:42 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: This is a reminder to review the PR from sasha. Sasha is on PTO at the moment, please raise questions  and we will answer to the best of our ability
16:07:50 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:08:14 <jgraham> q+
16:08:40 <AutomatedTester> orkon: I've been trying to prototype this and there web content API has been quite hard to use and there is nothing about stitching things so would need to be invited
16:09:01 <AutomatedTester> ... but building it off web apis isn't doable
16:09:24 <AutomatedTester> ... are there restrictions to what format needs to be output or is that up to the implementation
16:09:29 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:09:56 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I don't know what web rtc has but that format is likely the best
16:10:15 <AutomatedTester> ... the other question has...
16:10:41 <AutomatedTester> ... with web apis there is an idea that you are calling it from a IDL context which assumes javascript etc
16:10:50 <AutomatedTester> ... we have a similar issue with the streams API
16:11:32 <AutomatedTester> ... but when I suggested using something not using JS on streams the editor told me that wouldn't work as it would need a way of resolving promises
16:11:56 <AutomatedTester> ... we would likely need to have a "specification realm" that is not a content realm and is something else
16:12:23 <AutomatedTester> ... and it spec "fiction". It's like running script but not exactly like running a script <gives an example>
16:13:12 <AutomatedTester> ... in Firefox this is easier and we know that doesn't mean much as in other browsers it could be a C++ type call
16:13:38 <AutomatedTester> ... that's my best idea but if we don't do that then we are in a difficult position
16:13:59 <orkon> q+
16:14:11 <AutomatedTester> ... it then becomes a very handwavy way doing "capture this and then output that with web rtc"
16:14:27 <AutomatedTester> ... and it becomes unclear what realms this should run in
16:14:49 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:15:37 <AutomatedTester> orkon: thanks for the explaination. THis seems to work well for streams but I am not sure that works for screencast
16:16:24 <jgraham> q+
16:16:27 <AutomatedTester> ... but I might not have fully read those spec. The main thing is that we don't depend of the side effects of javascript execution other than the algorithm itself
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16:17:43 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I need to look to see if this would work. parts of it works well but as a whole maybe not. THere might be a possiblity is that this is very complicated. We also have a way in the future that we can stream the browser not the file what we are currently thinging about
16:17:47 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:18:10 <AutomatedTester> topic: Should modified request cookies be present in the RequestData for network events
16:18:20 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/issues/1110
16:19:22 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: cookies on modified requests... I realised when serialsing the network events that the current spec that we put the old cookie data into future events
16:19:54 <AutomatedTester> ... this is because we are looping over the cookiejar and serialising what matches the network request
16:19:56 <orkon> q+
16:20:33 <AutomatedTester> ... or should we returned the modified. If we do the modified that we can't return all the values as we can't see them all
16:20:53 <AutomatedTester> ... or should we return the cookies in a different event later?
16:21:00 <AutomatedTester> q?
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16:21:58 <AutomatedTester> orkon: I've commented on the issue... but in general from puppeteer that we don't have a use case for cookies on a network request. we have a separate cookie api
16:22:37 <jdescottes> q+
16:22:49 <AutomatedTester> ... but I think we should the modified or a way to notify the user there is a change. I don't have a strong opinion on this either way
16:22:51 <AutomatedTester> ack next
16:23:16 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: if there no other opinion then I will update the test accordingly
16:23:50 <AutomatedTester> ... on the client side, do you have opinions on this @jimevans?
16:24:26 <AutomatedTester> jimevans: I will need to check my use case that prompted me to log the bug
16:24:43 <AutomatedTester> ... I can't remember what I was doing that caused the disconnect
16:24:47 <AutomatedTester> q?
16:25:11 <AutomatedTester> topic: emulation.setTextLayoutModeOverride
16:25:23 <AutomatedTester> github: https://github.com/w3c/webdriver-bidi/pull/1072
16:26:07 <AutomatedTester> orkon: there are a few PRs raised by Maksim. I wanted to check if there was anything that people wanted to do here?
16:28:32 <AutomatedTester> whimboo: just checking is there a priority of PRs?
16:28:48 <AutomatedTester> jgraham: I can see that Sasha has looked at this
16:29:07 <AutomatedTester> jdescottes: it looks like some have been approved by sasha and we will ask her when back
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