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13:49:48 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
13:49:54 <Lisa> agenda+ scribe
13:50:17 <Lisa> agenda+ Meeting for next two weeks
13:50:41 <Lisa> agenda+ Wcag review ? -  what to review
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14:52:15 <Lisa> Agenda?
14:52:31 <Lisa> agenda+ new name for guidlines?
14:55:06 <Lisa> Q?
14:55:58 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
14:56:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/30-coga-minutes.html Lisa
14:57:24 <Lisa> Topic: COGA (Cognitive Accessibility) Task Force
14:57:45 <Lisa> zakim, start meeting
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14:57:47 <Zakim> Meeting: Cognitive and Learning Disabilities Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:59:09 <Lisa> Agenda?
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15:03:29 <Jennie_Delisi> present+
15:05:40 <Lisa> no quarem
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15:06:14 <Jan> present+
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15:10:24 <Lisa> quarum
15:10:41 <Jennie_Delisi> scribe+
15:10:49 <Lisa> scribe+ Jennie_Delisi
15:11:05 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: talking about schedule for next 2 weeks
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15:11:23 <Lisa> Meeting for next two weeks
15:11:23 <Lisa> Thursday, Apr 2 - no call
15:11:23 <Lisa> Monday, Apr 6 - considering an informal 30 minute meeting.
15:11:23 <Lisa> Tuesday, Apr 7 - no call
15:11:26 <LenB> present+
15:11:42 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Easter and Passover are impacting schedule
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15:12:16 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Any questions/thoughts?
15:12:20 <kirkwood_> Present +
15:12:49 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: For those unable to make calls - you can review asynchronously.
15:13:07 <Jennie_Delisi> ...If no quorum we will collect feedback from those who are present, then have an extra call.
15:13:51 <Lisa> next item
15:13:57 <Lisa> close item 1
15:14:01 <Lisa> close item 2
15:14:05 <Lisa> next item
15:14:52 <Jennie_Delisi> (Looking at the tab: Schedule, actions, and minutes)
15:15:11 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: top section: actions and to do items - drafts ready for review - error handling
15:15:26 <Jennie_Delisi> ...This links in the document to "Drafts for github"
15:15:59 <Jennie_Delisi> ...You don't have to go anywhere else in the document to see what is being discussed.
15:16:21 <Jennie_Delisi> ...This links to the spreadsheet with usernames, but you don't have to (link name row 1 in spread sheet)
15:17:06 <Jennie_Delisi> ...This will take you to the exact row in the spreadsheet.
15:17:40 <Jennie_Delisi> ...In the spreadsheet - the notes should generally be the same as the issue description in the github description proposal draft.
15:18:02 <Jennie_Delisi> ...The spreadsheet also contains links to related issues in Github
15:18:21 <Jennie_Delisi> ...You can vote within the Google document if that works easier for you than the spreadsheet
15:18:52 <Jennie_Delisi> ...You can add comments in either the Google document or the spreadsheet
15:19:07 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Next call: this is what we will review.
15:19:31 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Any questions?
15:19:32 <Lisa> Q?
15:19:47 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: what is the purpose of the spreadsheet?
15:20:10 <Jennie_Delisi> Spreadsheet title: "Review Tracking WCAG 3 - W3C Editor's Draft..."
15:20:19 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Review tracking spreadsheet
15:20:55 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Some people prefer the Google document, others prefer the spreadsheet.
15:21:12 <Jennie_Delisi> ...both are options to use
15:22:08 <Jennie_Delisi> ...We can have another call if necessary
15:22:23 <Jennie_Delisi> ...There are some issues which appear to be missing.
15:22:41 <Jennie_Delisi> ...We also have some related feedback.
15:22:56 <Jennie_Delisi> ...These are in the tabs "Missing from WCAG 3" and "Other WCAG 3 Feedback"
15:24:09 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Then if you miss the Monday call, you can start at the top of the tab "Schedule, Actions and Minutes" and find what is happening
15:24:13 <Lisa> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jLkvaCNxpk1xJ-yuyTWciizRe3GkGWPc-3yu6ZJLIqg/edit?tab=t.uggxirp4slpc#heading=h.crubeit1ngyb
15:24:21 <Lisa> scedule for wcag review
15:24:23 <Jennie_Delisi> (this is the link to that location)
15:25:03 <Lisa> Q?
15:25:08 <Jennie_Delisi> (Jan and Jennie like this)
15:25:08 <Lisa> next item
15:25:37 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: we have an old action item: finding a new name for Making Content Usable
15:26:05 <Jennie_Delisi> ...lots of discussion
15:26:27 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Cognitive Accessibility Guidance - what was discussed
15:26:57 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Issue: original document name is long, some felt their disability of interest was not included and didn't match local naming of disability
15:27:37 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Issues continued: some people were not reading the abstract and information which expanded on what was included (but not in the title)
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15:27:57 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Issue: some people already know the title Making Content Usable
15:28:28 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Other considerations: didn't want specific vocabulary like impairment
15:29:11 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Other considerations: terminology impacted jurisdiction differences (legal)
15:30:05 <Jennie_Delisi> ...We cannot use the phrase Cognitive Accessibility Guidance because it is considered too close to other W3C titles
15:30:16 <Jennie_Delisi> ...John K and Julie reviewed several similar options
15:30:55 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Best practices will be less likely to be followed in some areas.
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15:31:29 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Some places will include best practices in legal requirements but not others
15:32:25 <Jennie_Delisi> ..."Heuristics" is included in one suggestion - some do not know what that means
15:32:27 <kirkwood_> Cognitive Accessibility Protocols
15:33:05 <Jennie_Delisi> (Lisa's suggestion): Cognitive Accessibility (followed by longer subtitle)
15:33:20 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: Are we allowed to use protocols? I think it is a good way to name it
15:33:23 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: I like that
15:33:45 <Lisa> who want Cognitive Accessibility Protocols
15:33:48 <Lisa> +1
15:34:03 <LenB> +1
15:34:05 <Jennifer> +1
15:34:09 <Jan> 0
15:34:12 <kirkwood_> +1
15:34:13 <Jennie_Delisi> (Jennie): an option fo rme
15:34:17 <Jan> I am not how that will translate
15:34:20 <Jennie_Delisi> 0
15:34:56 <Jennie_Delisi> Jan: I don't know enough about how people speaking other languages will understand that word
15:35:23 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Not my area of expertise but might need some feedback.
15:36:08 <Lisa> Jennie: might need to check set definitions
15:36:27 <Jennie_Delisi> John H: agree, with protocols and procedures in government this could be something to check
15:36:44 <Jennie_Delisi> Jennie: also in IT shops, there could be specific definitions for protocols
15:37:02 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Sounds like we would want to pursue if it works with translations and defintions
15:37:25 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: great acronym, too!
15:37:45 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: We can take this one to the next step
15:37:53 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
15:38:17 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Do we want to review other suggestions?
15:38:17 <Lisa> ack next
15:39:14 <Jennie_Delisi> Jennie: could the group pursue 2 or 3 at the same time?
15:39:21 <Lisa> Jennie thinks a back up might be Cognative accessibility  with subtitle making content usable for peopel with learning and cognative disabilities and mental health disabiliabilities ect)
15:39:36 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Lisa's suggestion before ensures greater search follow up for those with previous experience with the document
15:39:38 <Jennifer> +1 I do like "cognitive accessibility" as a more streamlined option
15:39:51 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Does anyone prefer Cognitive Accessibility without protocols?
15:40:24 <Jennie_Delisi> Jennifer: I do. Protocols feels technical.
15:40:58 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: Are there other ones? What is the whole ecosystem?
15:41:38 <Jennie_Delisi> ...I am wondering if "Cognitive Accessibility" without anything else might be misunderstood.
15:41:40 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
15:41:46 <Lisa> ack next
15:42:24 <Lisa> jenny digital cognative accessibility
15:42:39 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: I am unsure if the word digital is important.
15:43:04 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: We are not doing anything outside of digital, though someone looking at it may be looking at environment and digital
15:43:14 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: We are publishing under the world wide web
15:43:28 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa:  But some who receive the document may not know who published it when they receive it
15:43:55 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: Did we discuss this in the Wayfinding and other areas?
15:44:07 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: For Making Content Usable - this is for that document
15:44:19 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: This is under the umbrella of web
15:44:29 <LenB> I'm leaning towards this: "Cognitive Accessibility: Making Content Usable for All Users"
15:44:32 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: People may not hear "making content usable" if we remove that"
15:45:08 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: We will not include "all users" because people interpret this to include other disability groups
15:45:32 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: aging is not considered a disability in many places
15:46:05 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: some individuals also do not consider themselves as having a disability even if they qualify as having one
15:46:32 <Jennie_Delisi> ...subheading could include aging
15:46:43 <Jennie_Delisi> ...or age-related
15:46:59 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: it includes memory and processing speed. E.g. 7 page form
15:47:11 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: and learning new things
15:47:50 <Jennie_Delisi> ...this is why we wanted a long subtitle - so we can add different groups
15:48:06 <Jennie_Delisi> John H: what about COGA guidance?
15:48:13 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: We cannot use guidance
15:48:27 <Jennie_Delisi> ...we could use COGA
15:48:31 <Jennie_Delisi> q+
15:49:14 <Lisa> COGA (COGnative Accessibility and making caontent useable for .........
15:49:28 <Lisa> ack next
15:49:56 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: this could include the subheading to help those new to the topic
15:50:09 <Jennie_Delisi> -1 still, sorry, on this one
15:50:30 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Cognitive Accessibility Protocols, Cognitive Accessibility
15:50:34 <Jennie_Delisi> ...each with the subtitle
15:50:56 <Jennie_Delisi> ...We still want to look into translation and definitions for protocols
15:51:06 <Lisa> Digital cognative accessibility
15:51:15 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: any more suggestions?
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15:51:30 <LenB> Making Content Usable: <insert new thing>
15:51:41 <Jennie_Delisi> Len: Leveraging making content usable?
15:51:52 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Then add one of the titles suggested above?
15:52:10 <Jennie_Delisi> John K: Usable - not something that holds in legal circles
15:52:35 <Jennie_Delisi> ...often associated with usability studies, so wondering if this would impact how people review the information
15:52:52 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Usable vs accessible is part of the differences.
15:53:02 <Jennie_Delisi> Len: that is an interesting question
15:53:10 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Usable is used in real estate, medication
15:53:27 <Jennie_Delisi> ...for example a usable amount of marijauna
15:53:50 <Jennie_Delisi> ...under the law has its own meaning, and I am wondering if this is a good question for a lawyer
15:54:34 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Making Content Usable - Cognitive Accessibility
15:54:47 <Lisa> Making Content Usable:  Coganive accessibility protacals for digtal accessibility or .......................................................
15:55:06 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: This could then include the whole list
15:55:16 <Jennie_Delisi> ...then Making Content Usable is the short name
15:56:02 <johnkirkwood> USable seems nice. Accessiblity protocols. Seems to have more legal weight to me.
15:56:20 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: I will ask for a list of what they are comfortable with
15:56:53 <Jennie_Delisi> ...Each one comes with a subheading with the details
15:57:00 <Lisa> Making Content Usable:  Coganive accessibility protacals for digtal accessibility ;  cognative accessibilty ; digital cognative accessibilty  , cognative accessibilty  protocals
15:57:04 <Jan> My apologies - I have to drop for another call
15:57:25 <Lisa> and cognative accessibilty
15:57:34 <johnkirkwood> cany chance we sould have all the options in irc?
15:57:37 <johnkirkwood> sorry
15:57:49 <Lisa> Making Content Usable:  Coganive accessibility protacals for digtal accessibility ;  cognative accessibilty ; digital cognative accessibilty  , cognative accessibilty  protocals
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15:57:54 <Eric_hind> present+
15:58:16 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
15:58:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/30-coga-minutes.html Lisa
15:58:24 <Jennie_Delisi> Cognitive accessibility; digital cognitive accessibility, cognitive accessibility protocols (if this works);
15:58:54 <johnkirkwood> Cognitive Accessibility Protocols
15:58:56 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: This would go to the AG chairs, internationalization
15:58:57 <LenB> 0 for the names in the list
15:58:57 <LenB> Making Content Usable: COGA Protocols,
15:58:57 <LenB> Making Content Usable: Digital Cognitive Accessibility,
15:59:04 <LenB> these feel better
15:59:21 <Jennie_Delisi> I also like: Making Content Usable: Digital Cognitive Accessibility
15:59:32 <Eric_hind> Cognitive accessibility Strategies +1
15:59:35 <Jennifer> I really like Making Content Usable: Digital Cognitive Accessibility
16:00:11 <Jennie_Delisi> Lisa: Strategies - this has been shared as being difficult in some legal areas
16:00:28 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:00:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/30-coga-minutes.html Lisa
16:00:48 <johnkirkwood> Prefer just “Cognitve Accessiblity”
16:01:13 <Lisa> RRSAgent, publish minutes
16:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/30-coga-minutes.html Lisa
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