14:02:11 RRSAgent has joined #atag 14:02:16 logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/03/27-atag-irc 14:02:16 RRSAgent, make logs Public 14:02:17 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), wendyreid 14:02:24 meeting: ATAG CG Meeting 14:02:35 date: 2026-03-27 14:02:55 chair: wendyreid 14:04:21 Harrie has joined #atag 14:05:20 morgan has joined #atag 14:09:27 liskovoi has joined #atag 14:13:08 Miriam7 has joined #atag 14:13:11 Evelyn has joined #atag 14:13:49 scribe+ Evelyn 14:14:05 sof has joined #atag 14:14:26 Topic: Updated charter draft - https://raw.githack.com/w3c-cg/atag/charter-draft/index.html 14:14:31 Brief intro discussion on using zoom's transcript (not AI notes) in place of manual notes. Not possible now, Wendy to look into settings for next time. 14:15:19 https://github.com/w3c-cg/atag/pull/28 14:15:36 sof1 has joined #atag 14:16:17 wendyreid: changes mostly minor, in response to feedback. More care around usage of "AI" term, suggestions around liason section. 14:17:11 wendyreid Please review. If no comments will probably push to approve and conclude the chartering discussion. 14:17:16 Topic: Updates to ATAG 2.0 14:17:20 https://w3c-cg.github.io/atag/docs/index.html 14:18:33 wendyreid Not a complete re-write (that's ATAG 3.0). What minor changes/updates could we make? 14:19:27 Miriam7 Define AI, update definition of authoring tools 14:20:07 wendyreid Can't change normative, can change informative. 14:21:10 nedzimmerman Lisa and Ned had discussed need to update tech references for 10 yrs of change. Flash, mobile operating systems (Windows phone, Blackberry) 14:22:08 wendyreid Update references to WCAG (currently stuck at 2.0?) 14:23:26 nedzimmerman Glossary - authoring tools section to reflect AI and LLMs? (is that too normative?) 14:24:49 wendyreid Thinks glossary is informative so ok there. W3C process has 4 levels/tiers. 1: editorial. Spelling etc. 2: clarification. Not changing meaning. 3: change that impacts how system would use/conform to spec. 4: new feature, radically changing feature. We need to avoid top 2 tiers. 14:26:24 liskovoi clarifying lines between author and content. Introduction section could be good for this. Start tackling complexities around when author doesn't have total control over generated content. 14:28:05 wendyreid Guidelines sections mostly normative, Principles sections mostly normative. "MUST", "MAY", etc. definitely normative. Surrounding/supportive text that doesn't impact conformance can be informative even in those sections. 14:28:55 nedzimmerman Some 3rd lvl headings (e.g. 1.1.1) has number in page title, some don't. Should strip out extra numbers 14:29:19 wendyreid has a css trick for this 14:30:23 shiva: Clarified: Anything that's not normative is informative. Non-normative is the same as informative. 14:30:58 liskovoi had to drop 14:34:00 nedzimmerman Glossary definition of user agent - need to figure out how to capture using an LLM to interact with web content in a way that's sort of like a user agent. Also LLM-based browsers. 14:34:45 wendyreid W3C's web and AI interest group might have a better definition to offer here 14:36:49 Miriam7 Talked before about iterative workflow where hooks could be picked up by machines or humans. Could we visualize that flow to help understand how to apply ATAG in that flow? 14:37:54 wendyreid That's probably more an ATAG 3.0 version, but helpful for us to formulate 14:38:19 scribe+ 14:38:53 Evelyn: The thing to calrify with me for GenAI, that you the author are still responsible for what is output? Is that clear? 14:39:28 s/calrify/clarify/ 14:41:03 lwillis74 has joined #atag 14:41:23 nedzimmerman Room in section 2 part 3 to clarify that 14:42:05 Shiva: Ultimately human is responsible for output? 14:42:46 wendyreid Yes and/but the tool needs to provide capabilities/functionality to support generating accessible content 14:43:38 nedzimmerman answer from 2(B).1.1.2. 14:44:03 https://www.w3.org/TR/IMPLEMENTING-ATAG20/#sc_b112 14:44:41 Morgan Murrah: Interested in guardrails. Generation tools not very refined. What guardrails to put on auto-generation? 14:46:15 wendyreid Tools themselves must be capable of producing accessible content. Into 3.0 can be more prescriptive about what tools must do. At CSUN lots of talk about instructions/context files. 14:46:48 wendyreid Wanted to ask: Why do I have to give this? Why isn't it at the agent level? 14:47:09 (lots of positive emoji reacts on ^) 14:47:45 wendyreid There's been talk on benchmarking for AI. Do we need to consider creating a benchmark for accessibility? (Don't have it right now) 14:48:14 Barry (in chat): "In he near future the GenAI tools will likely be much better than most humans in determining what it accessible and also to enable A11y. We should address that situation." 14:49:09 wendyreid Adding on: what is much more accessible to the end user? A lot of people looking for future where experience is tailored to their specific needs/desires. 14:50:31 Morgan Murrah: Visualization tool to help understand LLM probability machine: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/bartczernicki/AzureOpenAILogProbs/master/AzureOpenAILogProbs/Images/AzureLogProbs-Example.png 14:50:31 Like requiring debugging information. Requiring information on why decisions were made. 14:51:30 Miriam7 Would be nice to enforce through ATAG, but too prescriptive to enforce showing debug info. Maybe a best practice in WCAG 3? 14:52:34 Topic: AOB? 14:52:36 wendyreid A lot of agents show debugging text by default now, users wanted to see its process 14:53:44 Miriam7 Don't know when ATAG 3 will be ready, don't know where LLMs will go. Could have newer technologies even short term. Should update 2. specs enough to be broad enough to cover future technology. 14:54:24 wendyreid Should be as future-looking and broad as possible. 14:55:06 Shiva: Admin Q: Do we have editing rights for this draft document? 14:55:49 wendyreid Yes. In the repo (link Wendy shared) we have control over draft. Can open issue in GitHub or fork it and open PR with suggestions. 14:56:32 morganm has joined #atag 14:56:50 Harrie has left #atag 14:56:53 Meeting ended 14:57:10 s/wendyreid/wendyreid:/g 14:57:24 s/Miriam7/Miriam7:/g 14:57:47 s/nedzimmerman/nedzimmerman:/g 14:58:20 s/liskovoi/liskovoi:/g 14:58:31 rrsagent, please draft minutes 14:58:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/27-atag-minutes.html wendyreid 15:03:22 present+ nedzimmerman, morganm, Remi, liskovoi, Evelyn, Miriam7, Shivaji, Barry 15:03:26 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:03:27 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/27-atag-minutes.html wendyreid 15:04:06 rrsagent, bye 15:04:06 I see no action items