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11:58:02 <breakout-bot> Meeting: Pointer Events - Gesture support
11:58:02 <breakout-bot> Chair: Patrick Lauke
11:58:02 <breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2026/issues/3
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13:02:35 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ah...i think i may have confused myself (updated our regular bi-weekly meeting for this, as there was no zoom link yet at the time)
13:02:41 <Patrick_H_Lauke> be right there one sec
13:04:41 <Patrick_H_Lauke> for regular PEWG folks ... i messed up and the breakout is not our regular zoom link, but this one https://w3c.zoom.us/j/81809036612?pwd=SlGPYs5b7PmYv33RhNaOhe7rat9ZWf.1
13:04:51 <matatk> present+
13:04:58 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+
13:05:02 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ plh
13:05:28 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
13:09:50 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: Pointer Gestures at W3C Breakout Days 2026
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13:09:52 <plh> rrsagent, where am I?
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13:10:09 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
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13:25:23 <plh> q+
13:26:03 <plh> q-
13:26:06 <marie> ack plh
13:26:38 <marie> plh: is it assumed that we can be able to polyfill these events or not?
13:26:53 <marie> patrick: possibly
13:27:13 <matatk> q+ to ask about the set of gestures being explored
13:27:17 <marie> olli: what is a gesture?
13:27:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Marie-Claire Forgue
13:27:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: marie
13:27:50 <marie> ack ma
13:27:50 <Zakim> matatk, you wanted to ask about the set of gestures being explored
13:28:51 <marie> matt: following an ATAG review, you mention pinches, swipes, etc. - so wondering if dwell, etc. can complete the set of gestures? Or is it too late?
13:29:07 <marie> ... have you heard from devs?
13:29:36 <marie> patrick: we are still defining the shape of the proposed charter
13:30:19 <marie> ... longpress is tricky - like what is long? ;)
13:30:57 <marie> tess: many other platforms have a gesture recognizer - a mechanism observing the raw events
13:31:31 <plh> --> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/uwp/api/windows.ui.input.gesturerecognizer?view=winrt-26100 GestureRecognizer Class
13:31:52 <marie> .... the obvious way for th browser to implement is via gesture recognizer
13:32:23 <marie> ... there is a pre set of features
13:32:47 <marie> ... to be found in literature and from surveys
13:35:10 <marie> plh: are we trying to support a final set of features or designing an API that may recognize a given feature?
13:36:33 <plh> s/may recognize a given feature/may allow to define gestures/
13:36:37 <marie> patrick: define your own gesture is part of what Microsoft did at a certain time - not submitted for a W3C spec. It disappeared eventually
13:38:12 <marie> plh: if you are trying to define a set of features at high level - we'd need an incubation on this, btw - ...
13:40:03 <marie> patrick: any other high level events?
13:40:29 <marie> tess: i'd recomend a litterature review... look at other platforms and make lists
13:41:16 <marie> ... find out what developers have access to...
13:42:48 <marie> rob?: if done at the OS level, it would work better - resp to accessibility
13:43:34 <marie> rob: click count to define a double click
13:44:05 <marie> patrick: let's double chcek the double clik ;)
13:45:13 <marie> plh: can we get literature on what are the apps using out there?
13:46:16 <marie> patrick: some stuff might be outdated - I believe that JQuery has built-in
13:46:34 <marie> ... Angular, etc.
13:47:27 <marie> Patrick: agree another next step is to get feedback from developers to get a sense on what gestures
13:47:38 <matatk> q?
13:47:40 <marie> plh: would be nice to survey the developers
13:48:02 <marie> ... what do they use?
13:48:13 <marie> rob?: component libraries are important too
13:51:16 <marie> rob?: some OS maynot allow you to remap
13:52:14 <marie> patrick [asking plh about the process specifics wrt that spec]
13:52:46 <marie> plh: wrt current charter, incubation is one option
13:53:22 <marie> ... we should both develop a proposal AND a polyfill
13:53:53 <marie> plh: edge swipe
13:54:13 <marie> ... going from one page to another
13:54:31 <marie> q+
13:57:12 <marie> [marie, patrick, plh]: questionnaire discussion
13:58:23 <marie> rob: what developers are trying to accomplish with these gestures. One of my goals is to present the simplest API possible
13:59:14 <marie> patrick: may be rotation and scale ... gestures that can be plugged in CSS
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14:01:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> was just saying ... "i think we're coming to the end" and the event stopped :)
14:01:54 <Patrick_H_Lauke> anyway, thank you all for attending
14:01:58 <smaug> thank you
14:02:02 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
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14:03:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RRSAgent, bye
14:03:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items