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11:58:48 <breakout-bot> Meeting: Light Web-Based Apps: from chatbot's interactions to MiniApps
11:58:48 <breakout-bot> Chair: Martin Alvarez-Espinar
11:58:48 <breakout-bot> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2026/issues/13
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12:51:04 <xiaoqian> zakim, agenda?
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12:55:28 <martin> present+
12:59:45 <xiaoqian> chair: martin
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13:02:32 <bkardell> present+
13:02:48 <xiaoqian> present+ tidoust
13:04:54 <xiaoqian> martin's presentation: https://espinr.github.io/talks/2026/0325_MiniApps_Breakout/
13:06:06 <xiaoqian> martin: new trend of applications: chatbots by AI, GenUI
13:06:48 <xiaoqian> ... we also like to discussion the potential topics around MiniApps for the rechartering
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13:07:36 <xiaoqian> ... [Slides 5]
13:08:12 <xiaoqian> ... the current challenges and current activities
13:09:04 <xiaoqian> ... Lifecycle, Distribution, Metadata, Reusability, Addressing, Widgets, Accessibility
13:10:10 <xiaoqian> ... we still can not create one miniapps and deploy it to all the platforms
13:10:26 <xiaoqian> ... we have started to look at Widgets
13:11:07 <xiaoqian> ... one of the latest topics is to make MiniApps more inclusive
13:11:19 <xiaoqian> ... [Slide 6]
13:11:45 <xiaoqian> ... one of the major issues is the fact that DOM is missing
13:12:38 <xiaoqian> ... if we pack a MiniApps and distribute it, one of the missing part is the concept of Origin
13:12:58 <xiaoqian> ... MiniApps is using Domain specific language
13:13:12 <xiaoqian> ... a HTML-like template
13:13:38 <xiaoqian> ... we are considering HTML/API subset
13:14:06 <xiaoqian> ... the role attributes is not enough to solve the accessibility issue
13:14:16 <xiaoqian> ... the Semantics of elements are not there yet
13:14:41 <xiaoqian> ... we reduced the priority of Widgets, we only collects some requirements
13:15:21 <xiaoqian> ... you can find similar requirements in some other apps
13:15:38 <xiaoqian> ... we are observing IWA and PWA
13:15:58 <xiaoqian> ... a new way to pack
13:16:21 <xiaoqian> ... we are looking into things they can offer, f.ex, Lifecycle
13:16:34 <xiaoqian> ... it can also solve the A11y problem
13:17:23 <xiaoqian> ... in terms of Distribution, IWA proposed Bundles, Signed Bundles
13:17:34 <xiaoqian> ... and also including CSP
13:17:50 <xiaoqian> ... [Slide 8]
13:17:57 <xiaoqian> ... other ongoing discussions
13:18:08 <xiaoqian> ... thank you for contributing to these discussions
13:18:20 <xiaoqian> ... WebViews CG
13:18:49 <xiaoqian> ... WinterTC, minimal subset of APIs, is what we wanted for MiniApps
13:19:04 <xiaoqian> ... PWA, Installing
13:19:27 <xiaoqian> ... something new, AI-generated light apps [demo]
13:19:41 <xiaoqian> ... we might not need to full Web for this
13:19:53 <xiaoqian> ... if we need to create lighter engines?
13:20:14 <xiaoqian> ... the connection with the WebMCP technologies?
13:20:43 <xiaoqian> ... we would like to include these discussion in the MiniApp WG recharter
13:20:51 <xiaoqian> ... [Slides 10]
13:21:17 <xiaoqian> ... if we boarded the scope, what should we change?
13:21:45 <xiaoqian> ... shall we involve IWA to cover the gaps?
13:22:22 <xiaoqian> ... these hubrid WebApps are running in the SuperApps
13:22:39 <xiaoqian> ... what should we do about the native webapp engines?
13:23:14 <bkardell> q+
13:23:34 <xiaoqian> ... would like to hear your feedback
13:23:56 <xiaoqian> ack bkardell
13:24:06 <martin> scribe+ martin
13:24:13 <xiaoqian> bkardell: this is a topic we need to get into and discuss
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13:24:28 <martin> bkardell: Interested in this session
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13:24:55 <martin> ... Many people doing the same thing (packaging...). Many activities in parallel
13:25:08 <martin> ... Stores for PWAs, bunddles...
13:25:58 <xiaoqian> q+
13:26:03 <martin> ... Some people may say: so far we have the Web, and perhaps we only need to keep integrity
13:26:47 <martin> ... There is a lot of people working on Web techonology that need more powerful features (multiple windows)...
13:27:18 <martin> ... Relevant also is to consider IPFS.
13:27:28 <martin> ... Miniapps are very unique, and very specific.
13:28:01 <martin> ... Recommendation: to draft a Charter to bring this people together
13:28:24 <martin> ... A lot missing here, but we should build toguether
13:29:08 <martin> ack xiaoqian
13:29:16 <bkardell> ack xiaoqian
13:29:36 <martin> xiaoqian: I've spoken to the Chinese ecosystem
13:29:48 <martin> ... Everyone has implemented their own solutions on their platforms
13:30:04 <martin> ... However they have requirements:
13:30:12 <martin> ... Connect MiniApps with MCP
13:30:36 <martin> ... Another, a subset for the Web (standards)
13:31:33 <martin> ... Web agents and accessibility is another topic. Perhaps for a broader discussion
13:31:39 <bkardell> q+
13:31:53 <martin> ... I agree with you, we still have to fill many gaps
13:32:16 <martin> bkardell: Accessibility gap? If you talked about subsets.
13:32:26 <martin> ... Please clarifiy it.
13:33:20 <xiaoqian> martin: I tested some popular Chinese MiniApps, most of them are poor at accessibility
13:33:35 <xiaoqian> ... semantic features are missing
13:33:51 <xiaoqian> ... mostly CSS on DIVs
13:34:25 <xiaoqian> ... lack of desc on images
13:34:51 <xiaoqian> ... instead of reusing all the elements we have for HTML
13:35:54 <xiaoqian> [hyojin asked for clarification on Slide 10]
13:36:24 <bkardell> q+
13:36:34 <xiaoqian> martin: this figure came from a previous discussion of the MiniApps community
13:38:12 <xiaoqian> ... it explains some possible ways to allow MiniApps to work with the Web engines and AI (WebMCP)
13:38:31 <xiaoqian> ack bkardell
13:38:49 <martin> bkardell: This reminds me to Java in the early days
13:39:41 <martin> ... The Web changes through evolution, not revolution
13:40:28 <tidoust> q+
13:40:36 <martin> ... We should create something not too new, but to cover the scopes of more people (embedded web views, etc)
13:41:01 <martin> tidoust: We tried multiple times and failed
13:41:13 <martin> ... when we had to change the security model
13:41:40 <martin> ... IWAs, the negative feedback is that it gives the power of apps in different contexts
13:41:47 <martin> ... Not sure how to address this
13:42:20 <martin> ... Subset and subsetting should not be a big problem...
13:42:48 <martin> ... WinterTC, they need to consider and worry on the same things....
13:43:45 <martin> ... I'm not against it, just to help to build the message
13:44:39 <xiaoqian> q+
13:44:43 <xiaoqian> ack tidoust
13:45:06 <xiaoqian> Martin: I will continue the discussion offline with the WebView CG and the Chinese Community
13:45:54 <xiaoqian> ... please provide feedback as soon as possible
13:46:33 <xiaoqian> ... I already have an early draft
13:46:51 <xiaoqian> ... I'll share it with the group soon
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13:48:23 <tidoust> +1 to changing the group name, e.g., to something like "Embedded web apps"
13:48:26 <martin> bkardell: An early draft text on the charter could help to spread the word
13:48:53 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
13:49:30 <martin> tidoust: Having a text is always better for starting the review.
13:49:44 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make minutes
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13:50:14 <martin> Thank you very much xiaoqian and all
13:50:26 <xiaoqian> thank you!
16:09:35 <tidoust> RRSAgent, bye
16:09:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items