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13:52:25 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
13:52:30 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
13:52:35 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
13:52:40 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ScribeNick: Patrick_H_Lauke
13:53:08 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/bc0bed33-fd93-40a6-95bb-10f27c641863/20260311T100000/
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14:00:53 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present_ smaug
14:01:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
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14:01:09 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ plh
14:03:48 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ mustaq
14:04:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: W3C Breakout Days 2026 https://github.com/w3c/breakouts-day-2026/issues/3
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14:07:02 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: mentioned in a previous call that i had an email from matthew atkinson. specifically this was about longpress. suggested to him to join the breakout day for discussion
14:07:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: longpress does feel like ... a strange one. touches on many aspects of when does a UA actually recognise something's a longpress
14:08:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: also, most UAs already DO something in response. like iOS/Android bring up a context menu so you can catch it from that
14:08:22 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: will forward his email to the list though
14:08:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> TOPIC: Expose 'inertial scrolling state' in wheel events https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/issues/587
14:09:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Proposal to expose momentum scrolling in wheel events
14:12:07 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: we don'thave wheelstart / wheelend. if we want momentum, feels like we should also have those. but for minimal change, we would want to just expose the delta/that an event was fired as part of the momentum event
14:13:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> smaug: was briefly testing this, and we have something similar internally on gecko. found an oddity on linux where scrolling still happens but no wheel event is fired
14:13:57 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: think it's an issue in linux. think it's in the gtk layer. with this proposal, every browser should fire a wheel event with the flag, otherwise some developers now don't get wheel when it's a momentum scroll
14:14:28 <Patrick_H_Lauke> smaug: just having a flag should be easy. we'll just have to do something on linux
14:15:00 <plh> https://docs.gtk.org/gtk4/class.EventControllerScroll.html
14:16:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: so sounds like we're in agreement for the principle
14:16:17 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: are we ok with the proposed implementation?
14:17:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> could be a boolean, but if we want an unknown value, we can'thave that with boolean
14:17:31 <plh> -> https://github.com/vmpstr/htmldemos/blob/master/gestures/wheel-momentum.md proposal
14:17:53 <Patrick_H_Lauke> as long as we can say in the spec what happens when it's unknown
14:18:24 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: i think boolean is ok...
14:18:39 <Patrick_H_Lauke> smaug: would be annoying if later on we know that we DO want another value
14:19:10 <Patrick_H_Lauke> fuzzy logic, plh
14:20:02 <Patrick_H_Lauke> concrete proposal: let's make it a boolean called momentum, to indicate if it's a momentum phase ... thing
14:20:23 <Patrick_H_Lauke> smaug: will check with our windows folks first, but should be fine
14:20:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: how are we going to test this?
14:20:57 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: we'll have to add the capability to generate these in web driver?
14:22:05 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: in your proposal you only have desktop. what about mobile?
14:22:59 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: but you don't have scrollwheel on touchscreen. but if you attached a mouse you would get it
14:23:46 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: so what's next steps? is there a PR?
14:23:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Mustaq: I can give it a try
14:24:12 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Mustaq to create initial PR for #587
14:25:08 <vmpstr> vmpstr
14:25:37 <plh> s/Proposal to expose momentum scrolling in wheel events/Vlad: Proposal to expose momentum scrolling in wheel events/
14:25:47 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: any other issues?
14:26:27 <vmpstr> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/12919
14:27:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> vmpstr: raising an issue about overscroll and touch-action interactions, if folks have strong opinions on it, as a heads-up
14:29:33 <Patrick_H_Lauke> flackr: was just looking at wheel implementation. there are cases where we have integers rather than boolean. could be 0 or 1 now, but then we can extend...
14:29:45 <Patrick_H_Lauke> smaug: i think there was something about using enum values rather than strings...
14:33:16 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ vmpstr
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14:33:55 <Patrick_H_Lauke> RRSAgent, bye
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14:33:55 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mustaq to create initial PR for #587 [1]
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