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16:52:58 <Zakim> Meeting: ARIA Editors
16:53:04 <Daniel> agenda: 376853
16:53:04 <agendabot> Daniel, sorry, could not get 376853 (code 400).
16:53:27 <Daniel> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0f298fd3-44a9-4449-a208-7e9a2b54c4c7/20260311T100000/
16:53:29 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:53:29 <agendabot> agenda+ revisit: tooling not strict -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1877 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1877
16:53:29 <agendabot> agenda+ revisit: replacing IDREFs with modernized language -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2556 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2556
16:53:29 <agendabot> agenda+ revisit: better dev tool support -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1962 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1962
16:53:30 <agendabot> agenda+ machine readable source of truth for core-aam mapping tables -> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/258 https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/258
16:53:33 <agendabot> agenda+ revisit: role=none prohibited attributes -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983
16:53:36 <agendabot> agenda+ stale PRs
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17:02:06 <pkra> present+
17:02:11 <pkra> agenda?
17:02:54 <Daniel> present+
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17:04:06 <spectranaut_> agenda?
17:04:31 <pkra> scribe+
17:05:00 <spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2744
17:05:26 <pkra> topic: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2744
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17:06:01 <pkra> spectranaut_: I wrote a script to extract data from the tables.
17:06:22 <pkra> ... the relevant part is generating the mappings from the json file.
17:06:39 <pkra> ... my motivation was that it might be easier to edit the json file.
17:07:00 <pkra> ... it's still awkward due to having a second step.
17:07:26 <pkra> jamesn: why is it easier to edit json?
17:07:47 <pkra> Daniel: it's easier to have fewer text ni context.
17:07:59 <pkra> ... but I suppose yaml is even better.
17:08:19 <pkra> jamesn: wouldn't be escaping make things difficult?
17:08:39 <pkra> spectranaut_: good point. Maybe yaml would be better.
17:09:03 <pkra> jamesn: I'm skeptical if that benefits editing
17:09:24 <pkra> spectranaut_: right. another motivation was that Scott wanted a source of truth from core-aam to feed into html-aam.
17:09:43 <pkra> jamesn: right, that makes sense. That could be a file in the build step to create a json fle.
17:10:01 <pkra> ... the spec is never going to be just json, no?
17:10:11 <pkra> ... if we split it up, this sounds like a step backward.
17:10:27 <pkra> spectranaut_: feels like the HTML has more room to make mistakes.
17:10:42 <pkra> ... already a lot of inconsistencies in the tables that would need fixing up.
17:10:55 <pkra> jamesn: fair. It's not my spec after all.
17:11:40 <pkra> spectranaut_: right. thanks for the feedback. I'm hoping for more
17:11:46 <pkra> jamesn: something like roleInfo seems great.
17:12:05 <pkra> spectranaut_: then maybe cleaning up the table is the key thing
17:13:05 <pkra> pkra: we also have inconsistencies in roleInfo. E.g. conditional statements in the characteristics tables.
17:13:27 <pkra> spectranaut_: good to know. I'm still not sure if it's worth the effort.
17:13:37 <pkra> ... needs more thinking, and input.
17:14:17 <pkra> ... besides Scott's request, there's tests. I'm not sure yet how feasible that is.
17:15:09 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:15:09 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- revisit: tooling not strict -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1877 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1877 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:16:14 <pkra> pkra: I was going through old issues. This seems like worth another look
17:16:29 <pkra> ... the particular case was solved back then.
17:16:46 <pkra> Daniel: the larger issue remains. If we turn on the linter, we'll get a lot of noise.
17:17:28 <pkra> ... but those would show up on TR
17:17:44 <pkra> ... we could also decide which kinds of PRs we run this on so as to limit the noise.
17:18:46 <pkra> ... I'll try a couple.
17:18:52 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:18:52 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- revisit: replacing IDREFs with modernized language -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2556 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/2556 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:20:01 <pkra> pkra: I unassigned myself from this since the scale is very large
17:20:09 <pkra> ... essentially all specs need to be checked.
17:20:23 <pkra> spectranaut_: definitely not a first issue but a deep dive.
17:20:55 <pkra> jamesn: not sure what to do this.
17:21:08 <pkra> spectranaut_: sounds like medium issue.
17:21:17 <pkra> jamesn: not sure. It sounds like someone would need it.
17:21:31 <pkra> ... to know the spec well enough
17:21:40 <pkra> spectranaut_: maybe it's primarily about finding the right language.
17:21:48 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:21:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- revisit: better dev tool support -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1962 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1962 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:23:02 <pkra> pkra: I tried to re-use this old issue to see if we can talk about dev tools.
17:26:15 <pkra> jamesn: let's open a new issue. This one has too much history.
17:27:30 <pkra> pkra: will do.
17:28:07 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:28:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- machine readable source of truth for core-aam mapping tables -> https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/258 https://github.com/w3c/core-aam/issues/258 -- taken up [from
17:28:10 <Zakim> ... agendabot]
17:28:16 <pkra> zakim, close this item
17:28:16 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
17:28:17 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:28:17 <Zakim> 5. revisit: role=none prohibited attributes -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983 [from agendabot]
17:28:21 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:28:21 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- revisit: role=none prohibited attributes -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1983 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:30:44 <pkra> pkra: this is an old one that specifically asked for editors' meeting agenda but was never added.
17:32:41 <pkra> jamesn: I think the original idea was to avoid that prohibiting means that the attributes are ignored rather than the role being removed.
17:33:07 <spectranaut_> agenda?
17:33:46 <pkra> ... we should talk about it in a WG meeting.
17:34:18 <pkra> zakim, next item
17:34:18 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- stale PRs -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:34:42 <pkra> pkra: a few stale PRs caught my eye
17:34:43 <pkra> ... github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2181
17:35:06 <pkra> ... I was surprised this hasn't been merged yet.
17:35:14 <pkra> ... I don't know what the status.
17:36:08 <pkra> spectranaut_: should we ask Scott if someone else should take it on?
17:37:02 <pkra> jamesn: does this need actual implementations?
17:38:00 <pkra> pkra: https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2022
17:38:39 <pkra> .... this is a stale draft that didn't go anywhere. Can we close?
17:38:44 <pkra> spectranaut_: yeah, there was no response.
17:39:01 <pkra> pkra: ok. What about https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1794 ?
17:39:38 <pkra> jamesn: let's close it.
17:39:56 <pkra> pkra: next https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/2670
17:42:19 <pkra> spectranaut_: I'll think about it.
17:42:29 <pkra> pkra: great. Would be nice to find someone to take this over.
17:43:51 <pkra> zakim, end meeting
17:43:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pkra, Daniel
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17:44:01 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, pkra; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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