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14:50:39 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, this is https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0252457e-6e75-4770-9462-3496ed8e407b/20260309T160000/
14:50:39 <Zakim> got it, fabien_gandon
14:51:02 <fabien_gandon> Meeting: Web & AI IG meeting 09/03/2026
14:51:02 <fabien_gandon> Chair: Fabien Gandon
14:51:02 <fabien_gandon> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/0252457e-6e75-4770-9462-3496ed8e407b/20260309T160000/
14:51:23 <fabien_gandon> agenda+ GitHub issue notifications for the group
14:51:30 <fabien_gandon> agenda+ Andrei Ciortea on “Autonomous Agents on the Web”
14:51:39 <fabien_gandon> agenda+ David E. Weekly and Doğu Abaris on the “AI Content Disclosure on the Web”
14:52:03 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, what is agenda?
14:52:03 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:52:04 <Zakim> 1. GitHub issue notifications for the group [from fabien_gandon]
14:52:04 <Zakim> 2. Andrei Ciortea on “Autonomous Agents on the Web” [from fabien_gandon]
14:52:04 <Zakim> 3. David E. Weekly and Doğu Abaris on the “AI Content Disclosure on the Web” [from fabien_gandon]
14:52:29 <fabien_gandon> present+
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14:59:46 <gendler> present+
14:59:56 <AlexDawson> present+
15:01:32 <dom> Present+
15:01:36 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, start this meeting
15:01:36 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:01:38 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), fabien_gandon
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15:01:59 <dom> Meeting: Web & AI Interest Group
15:02:06 <dom> scribe+
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15:02:25 <cpn> present+
15:02:28 <Dingwei> present+
15:02:37 <dom> Zakim, next item
15:02:37 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- GitHub issue notifications for the group -- taken up [from fabien_gandon]
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15:03:03 <dom> Fabien: we wanted to discuss whether to have github activity notified on the mailing list
15:03:29 <dom> Roy: right now, the public-webai mailing list receives a copy of any new issues and comments
15:03:41 <dom> ... some people might feel this is too noisy
15:03:59 <dom> ... any input on whether to change this to a weekly summary?
15:04:07 <dom> <dom> +1 to moving to a weekly summary
15:04:08 <tzviya> +1 to weekly
15:04:21 <dom> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:21 <Zakim> Present: fabien_gandon, gendler, AlexDawson, dom, tzviya, cpn, Dingwei
15:04:32 <Dingwei> +1
15:04:56 <dom> Present+ DavideEynard, DavidWeekly, MihaiMaftei, AndreiCiortea, PLH, ShouqunLiu
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15:05:04 <dom> [support for moving to weekly]
15:05:09 <Roy_Ruoxi> Present+
15:05:09 <dom> Roy: I'll take care of doing
15:05:12 <dom> Zakim, next item
15:05:12 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Andrei Ciortea on “Autonomous Agents on the Web” -- taken up [from fabien_gandon]
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15:05:45 <dom> Present+ VagnerSantana, EhsanT, JLemee, ZengLiang
15:06:01 <dom> Present+ AntoineZimmermann
15:06:11 <dom> Present+ DoḡuAbaris
15:06:36 <fabien_gandon> Present+
15:06:51 <fabien_gandon> Chair: Fabien Gandon
15:06:54 <dom> Andreai: I'm one of the co-chairs of the Web Agents CG, a professor at Switzerland University and a researcher at Inria
15:07:03 <dom> ... [presenting other co-chairs]
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15:07:12 <fabien_gandon> Andrei Ciortea: https://andreiciortea.ro/
15:07:29 <dom> [slide 3]
15:07:53 <dom> Andrei: gather expertise from different areas: multi-agent, semantic web, etc
15:08:03 <fabien_gandon> Autonomous Agent CG: https://www.w3.org/community/webagents/
15:08:16 <dom> ... goal is to inherit benefits of Web architecture, preserve beneficial properties of multi-agent systems, and be human centric
15:08:18 <dom> [slide 4]
15:08:50 <dom> [slide 5]
15:09:57 <dom> Present+ PierreAntoineChampin
15:11:19 <dom> Present+ PalakMathur
15:12:23 <dom> Andrei: revival of a longliving vision of agents on the Web
15:12:27 <dom> [slide 6]
15:13:13 <fabien_gandon> W3C Web of Things (WoT): https://www.w3.org/WoT/
15:14:19 <dom> [slide 7]
15:14:21 <dom> [slide 8]
15:15:20 <dom> [slide 9]
15:15:52 <dom> [slide 10]
15:17:20 <dom> [slide 11]
15:17:21 <dom> [slide 12]
15:17:33 <dom> PResent+ JaninaSajka
15:17:52 <dom> [slide 13]
15:19:48 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://w3c-cg.github.io/webagents/TaskForces/Interoperability/Reports/report-interoperability.html
15:19:53 <dom> [slide 14]
15:19:55 <dom> [slide 15]
15:20:01 <dom> [slide 16]
15:20:59 <dom> [slide 17]
15:22:12 <fabien_gandon> q?
15:22:12 <dom> q?
15:22:55 <dom> Dogu: are you going to focus on the standardization part for content creation for both agents and humans?
15:23:14 <fabien_gandon> q+ to ask for the targeted release date of the report
15:23:16 <dom> ... we launched an org in that space recently
15:23:42 <dom> Andrei: at the moment, we're mostly surveying the area - looking at what exists, not developing new specs
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15:23:53 <dom> Dogu: https://tg.community/
15:23:59 <fabien_gandon> Dogu shares: https://tg.community/
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15:24:15 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:24:16 <Zakim> fabien_gandon, you wanted to ask for the targeted release date of the report
15:24:16 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:24:40 <dom> Fabien: in terms of the timeline for the report, when would you release a stable version of the report?
15:25:04 <dom> Andrei: hard to estimate - we've been slower than we hoped; we're building it as a living document with self-contained sections
15:25:18 <dom> ... we might split the document into several reports to help
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15:25:36 <dom> ... we're working on the sections on identification
15:25:45 <fabien_gandon> q+ to ask about ethical aspects e.g. chapter 10 and 11
15:25:56 <janina1> present+
15:25:57 <dom> ... we received a first contribution for environment interaction
15:26:25 <dom> ... we're going to organize soon a session on accountability & policy - details will be announced to the mailing list
15:26:31 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:26:32 <Zakim> fabien_gandon, you wanted to ask about ethical aspects e.g. chapter 10 and 11
15:26:32 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:27:06 <dom> fabien_gandon: at the previous meeting, we had discussions with the Web Machine Learning WG work on the ethical principles they developed
15:27:18 <dom> ... any discussion around ethics in the CG?
15:27:40 <dom> Andrei: one of the designal goal is agents alignment, which refers to the TAG work on Web user agents
15:27:59 <dom> ... we plan to extract that into a document of its own
15:28:21 <dom> fabien_gandon: please feel free to share pointers to the IG who could also be a potential target to publish it more widely
15:29:06 <dom> Andrei: one last note: among the many other CGs working on AI Agents, our specific focus is on architectural design
15:29:22 <fabien_gandon> AI Agent Protocol Community Group https://www.w3.org/community/agentprotocol/
15:29:40 <fabien_gandon> Semantic Agent Communication Community Group https://www.w3.org/community/s-agent-comm/
15:30:17 <fabien_gandon> next agendum
15:30:35 <dom> i|Andreai: I|Slideset: https://w3c-cg.github.io/webagents/Meetings/2026-03-09-WebAI-IG/WebAgents-CG.pdf
15:30:35 <dom> Topic: AI Content Disclosure on the Web
15:30:45 <dom> Slideset: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Q8zpjz1SWqxh3CYkHG7R9IdkJiETbe6ELjmvr-nnUoM/edit?slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173#slide=id.g289430bbe7c_0_173
15:31:13 <dom> Davide: I'm a technologist, used to be the W3C delegate at Capital One
15:31:22 <dom> ... this is the first presentation of this proposal to a public audience
15:31:33 <dom> ... I joined forces with Dogu who was working on a very similar proposal
15:32:08 <dom> Dogu: software engineer and student, teamed up with David to launch a CG on AI content disclosure
15:32:11 <dom> s/Davide/David
15:32:18 <dom> [slide 1]
15:32:19 <dom> [slide 2]
15:32:44 <dom> [slide 3]
15:33:35 <dom> [slide 4]
15:34:05 <dom> [slide 5]
15:35:09 <dom> [slide 6]
15:35:36 <dom> [slide 7]
15:36:29 <dom> [slide 8]
15:36:54 <dom> [slide 9]
15:37:06 <dom> [slide 10]
15:38:09 <dom> [slide 11]
15:38:35 <dom> [slide 12]
15:38:57 <janina1> q+ to ask about real-time, unreviewed ai generated text
15:39:05 <dom> [slide 13]
15:39:08 <gendler> q+
15:39:34 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:39:35 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask about real-time, unreviewed ai generated text
15:39:35 <Zakim> I see gendler on the speaker queue
15:39:42 <dom> janina: useful categorization, but I have concerns with some of that given accessibility discussions we're having
15:39:45 <fabien_gandon> q?
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15:40:08 <fabien_gandon> q+ to ask for discussions about the incentives for adoption
15:40:17 <dom> ... we're seeing a lot of AI-generated alt text generated on the fly - currently easy to spot because they're not really following WCAG guideline
15:40:41 <plh> q+
15:40:53 <dom> ... there are a number of situations where you don't want these automatically generated alt text - e.g. in educational context where accuracy of the alternative is critical
15:40:54 <AlexDawson> q+
15:41:00 <Roy_Ruoxi> relevant issue:  https://github.com/w3c/webai/issues/5
15:41:08 <dom> ... any thought to extend this to generated on the fly with no human review?
15:41:48 <dom> David: I think this would fit "autonomous" level - it could be applied to a <figcaption> element
15:42:05 <pchampin> q+
15:42:06 <dom> <dom> [this wouldn't work to annotate the alt attribute though]
15:42:39 <dom> janina: likewise an automatically generated summary would be tagged as specifically autonomous?
15:42:42 <dom> David: indeed
15:42:50 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:42:51 <Zakim> I see fabien_gandon, plh, AlexDawson, pchampin on the speaker queue
15:42:55 <cpn> article ai-disclosure="none" is a bit odd, suggests there's no disclosure, rather than no AI used
15:43:26 <dom> Max: (co-chair hat off) general outline makes sense, I hope you'll consider creating a use cases/examples document that outlines the subtle differences between ai-assisted and ai-generated
15:43:35 <tzviya> +1 to gendler
15:43:37 <fabien_gandon> agenda+ We initialized issues/topics on github https://github.com/w3c/webai/issues
15:43:45 <fabien_gandon> agenda+ We are always looking for talks
15:44:00 <dom> ... the distinction based on who started the authoring process can get tricky, and could better informed with specific examples to set expectations
15:44:18 <dom> David: you're right that's probably the fuzziest part of the proposal
15:44:26 <dom> ... is it based on who did the first draft?
15:45:13 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:45:14 <Zakim> fabien_gandon, you wanted to ask for discussions about the incentives for adoption
15:45:14 <Zakim> I see plh, AlexDawson, pchampin on the speaker queue
15:45:27 <dom> Max: "1st draft" can take very different shapes - e.g. if I shared very rough notes as bullet points that is then fed to an AI for a written up memo... it would be great to get the sense of the CG on these
15:46:05 <dom> fabien: what would be the incentives to adopt these annotations? we've seen a number of great annotation formats that never took off for lack of adoption incentives
15:46:18 <dom> David: some of it is about trust, some of it about regulatory compliance
15:46:52 <dom> ... if you lie, what are the consequences? what benefits might one get from volunteering these disclosures? e.g. boost on visibility
15:47:07 <tzviya> q+ to ask about regs
15:47:17 <dom> ... I can imagine several carrots, and there is an array of regulatory bodies that want to enforce some of these that could act as sticks
15:47:20 <AlexDawson> Clarification for speaker: Green Claims are regulated in the EU. If you do lie about use of AI and AI does have greater impact than human implementation - you can face consequences.
15:47:47 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:47:48 <Zakim> I see AlexDawson, pchampin, tzviya on the speaker queue
15:47:51 <dom> fabien: PICS got better adoption than P3P because of these indexing incentives indeed
15:48:15 <fabien_gandon> q?
15:48:47 <dom> PLH: have you thought about applying this to the underlying code of the page? i.e. whether the UI of the page was partially or entirely generated by a UI
15:49:18 <dom> David: not thought about it at all; I expect in the upcoming few years, 100% of web content will be at least partially assisted by AI
15:49:43 <Roy_Ruoxi> Generative UI discussion -> https://github.com/w3c/webai/issues/3
15:49:44 <fabien_gandon> +1 to the question of PLH and to code and content we can add datasets
15:49:47 <dom> ... in general, I suspect users don't care as much about how the page code was generated vs the level of accountability and review for the content itself
15:50:06 <dom> ... code provenance is interesting though
15:50:28 <dom> dogu: the CG focuses on the content at the moment
15:50:50 <dom> ... I've thought about using comments to annotate code
15:51:20 <gendler> The reader may not care about underlying code-creation, but perhaps infrastructure providers/pieces would care?
15:51:51 <dom> [from the chat: On the question about the level of AI engagement to be disclosed, there is a proposal on AI attribution that suggests a richer set of attributions: https://aiattribution.github.io/create-attribution ]
15:52:00 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:52:01 <Zakim> I see pchampin, tzviya on the speaker queue
15:52:10 <dom> fabien: this could extend to the question of data provenance
15:53:09 <dom> Alex: had you thoughts about Schema which had mechanisms to mark advertisement disclosure per regulation?
15:53:23 <dom> ... this could be re-used in the context of AI disclosure
15:53:43 <dom> david: the original proposal had a schema.org integration suggestion
15:53:56 <dom> ... see https://github.com/dweekly/ai-content-disclosure
15:54:58 <fabien_gandon> Vagner Santana: On the question about the level of AI engagement to be disclosed, there is a proposal on AI attribution that suggests a richer set of attributions: https://aiattribution.github.io/create-attribution
15:54:59 <dom> Alex: did you consider annotating content coming from 3rd parties?
15:55:13 <plh> s/generated by a UI/generated by an AI/
15:55:22 <dom> David: is this about annotating the target of the link?
15:55:41 <dom> Alex: situations where content is being imported
15:55:53 <tzviya> q-
15:56:17 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, close the queue
15:56:17 <Zakim> ok, fabien_gandon, the speaker queue is closed
15:56:23 <dom> David: for links, it might be difficult to keep the annotation in sync between source and target - the browser could prefetch the info on link hovering
15:56:54 <fabien_gandon> Zakim, ack next
15:56:55 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
15:56:56 <dom> Alex: I'm coming at it from the sustainability perspective
15:57:59 <dom> pchampin: there may be a category missing: content not directly from humans nor from AI - e.g. content extracted from databases, which may be curated by humans. is this in scope?
15:58:18 <dom> ... or data from a sensor?
15:58:44 <dom> David: it feels like this would be "autonomous" - because published without human review/accountability
15:58:48 <cpn> and now it's not an AI disclosure any more...
15:59:26 <dom> pac: my initial reaction was to distinguish deterministic vs generative
15:59:38 <fabien_gandon> next agendum
15:59:42 <dom> fabien: also plenty of room for discussion about what autonomy means for an agent
15:59:57 <fabien_gandon> next agendum
16:00:01 <dom> Fabien: We have opened a number of issues on the repo - please contribute thoughts and pointers
16:00:12 <dom> Zakim, take up agendum 5
16:00:12 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- We are always looking for talks -- taken up [from fabien_gandon]
16:00:39 <dom> Fabien: please get in touch if you have talks that would be interesting for the IG!
16:01:01 <dom> Max: next month meeting will be the first of the rotation cycle
16:01:13 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/09-webai-minutes.html dom
16:01:24 <fabien_gandon> Thank you dom
16:04:01 <Roy_Ruoxi> s/@@@/https://github.com/w3c-cg/webagents/blob/main/Meetings/2026-03-09-WebAI-IG/WebAgents-CG.pdf/
16:04:08 <Roy_Ruoxi> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:04:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/09-webai-minutes.html Roy_Ruoxi