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16:59:02 <TallTed> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG meeting
16:59:11 <pchampin> present+
16:59:15 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20260305T120000/
16:59:15 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:59:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/26-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
16:59:15 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
16:59:17 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:59:21 <TallTed> present+
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16:59:55 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/26-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:55 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/03/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:00:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:00:18 <ktk> present+
17:00:31 <AndyS> present+
17:00:54 <tl> present+
17:01:48 <gtw> present+
17:01:48 <niklasl> scribe+
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17:03:10 <ktk> Chair: ktk
17:03:22 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
17:03:22 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/26-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:24 <olaf> present+
17:03:30 <lisp> present+
17:03:50 <ktk> q?
17:03:56 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
17:03:59 <AndyS> +1
17:03:59 <niklasl> +1
17:04:00 <ktk> +1
17:04:05 <Dominik_T> +1
17:04:06 <tl> +1
17:04:13 <olaf> +1
17:04:19 <TallTed> +1
17:04:34 <pchampin> +1
17:04:35 <lisp> +1
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17:04:49 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve last week's minutes
17:04:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:05:00 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:05:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:05:40 <ktk> Zakim, close item
17:05:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', ktk
17:05:47 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:05:47 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, ktk
17:05:48 <niklasl> ktk: Nothing new on open actions
17:05:54 <TallTed> Zakim, close item 2
17:05:54 <Zakim> agendum 2, Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3, closed
17:05:56 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:05:56 <Zakim> 3. Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 [from agendabot]
17:05:58 <TallTed> Zakim, next item
17:05:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:07:30 <niklasl> ktk: Regarding recognized members of the WG, I have a final query to share.
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17:07:35 <Souri> present+
17:08:34 <niklasl> ... me, Ora and Pierre-Antoine went through the generated sparql query results for recognized members, with nickname cleanups, and asked where to draw the line.
17:09:13 <niklasl> ... Our proposal is to draw the line at 30, with one exception for Jerven, who joined late but took over the RDF/XML editor role.
17:09:30 <niklasl> s/at 30/at 30 attendances/
17:09:55 <ktk> q?
17:09:58 <niklasl> ... Does anyone miss oneself or any other in this list?
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17:10:27 <ktk> q?
17:10:36 <niklasl> ... I will map this to our user names and that will count as the list of active members of the working group.
17:10:51 <niklasl> ... If no objections, that will be the final list for approval.
17:11:14 <niklasl> ... But please contact the chairs if something is missing.
17:11:26 <TallTed> q+
17:12:14 <ktk> ack TallTed
17:12:45 <niklasl> TallTed: I'm a bit concerned that this is focused only on teleconferences; not e.g. mailing list and/or github work.
17:13:27 <niklasl> ktk: Agreed. We did take other activities into account when deciding on drawing the line at 30.
17:13:45 <ktk> q?
17:13:55 <niklasl> ... The scoring shouldn't be interpreted as anything, it was to get an initial set of suggested names.
17:14:07 <niklasl> TallTed: That'll do.
17:14:13 <AndyS> q+
17:14:22 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:15:07 <niklasl> AndyS: I added the issue on RDF/XML, specifically the tests we have. It needs some sorting out; e.g. how it deals with the new rdf:version, which seems different for different featurs.
17:15:12 <niklasl> s/featurs/features/
17:15:46 <niklasl> ... There is really no way to evolve RDF/XML, the two extension features we've got doesn't really give leeway.
17:16:26 <ktk> q?
17:16:27 <niklasl> ... E.g. adding rdf:* attributes comes with problems.
17:16:40 <niklasl> ktk: Do we expect to break something?
17:16:59 <niklasl> AndyS: There are corner-cases. We don't suspect them to have practically occurred in the wild.
17:17:27 <niklasl> ... It would mean people tramping in on the rdf: namespace, etc.
17:17:42 <niklasl> ktk: Should this be documented in the new version?
17:17:50 <niklasl> AndyS: We need to add a line or two.
17:18:02 <niklasl> ... I know Jerven thinks about this too.
17:18:44 <niklasl> ... The issue https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/86 is for these details.
17:18:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/86 -> Issue 86 Evolving 1.2 triple term features : rdf:parseType, rdf:annotation (by afs) [ms:CR]
17:19:15 <niklasl> ktk: Those who actively use RDF/XML are welcome to chime in on this issue.
17:19:46 <niklasl> AndyS: We don't have a clean break, like in Turtle etc., where adding new things is a syntax error in older versions.
17:19:49 <niklasl> q+
17:20:21 <niklasl> AndyS: One contributior to Jena uses RDF/XML, for the common [???]
17:21:01 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:21:01 <AndyS> s/common [???]/CIM/
17:23:47 <niklasl> ktk: Are we on track with the test files tracking issue?
17:24:14 <niklasl> pchampin: We have tacking issues for the semantics tests and one other. Some line items are thus redundant.
17:24:31 <niklasl> ktk: We have captured this information and can close without waitinng.
17:24:44 <niklasl> s/waitinng/waiting/
17:25:04 <ktk> q?
17:26:37 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:26:37 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:26:56 <niklasl> q+
17:27:17 <niklasl> ktk: What's the status of Sophia?
17:27:35 <niklasl> pchampin: Parsers pass all the tests on Turtle, TriG [and more]
17:27:49 <niklasl> ... Reuses tpt:s implementation (oxigraph)
17:28:14 <ktk> https://github.com/pchampin/sophia-cli
17:28:18 <niklasl> ... My implementation has simple, RDF and RDFS entailments (without extra datatypes), they all pass.
17:29:40 <niklasl> ktk: the rust-based cli is useful for large sets of small files, etc.
17:30:26 <niklasl> I've got https://github.com/niklasl/oxrq based on oxigraph; use it like awk for our core vocab files, etc.
17:32:50 <niklasl> I hope this one may prove useful, did it over the last couple of evenings: a TriG pretty-printer https://github.com/niklasl/gnarly (pyoxigraph-based)
17:35:08 <ktk> q?
17:35:19 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:36:20 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:36:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/03/05-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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