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15:52:59 <anssik> Meeting: WebML CG Teleconference – 19 February 2026
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15:53:00 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), anssik
15:53:01 <anssik> Chair: Anssi
15:53:06 <anssik> Agenda: https://github.com/webmachinelearning/meetings/blob/main/telcons/2026-02-19-cg-agenda.md
15:53:13 <anssik> Scribe: Anssi
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16:06:42 <anssik> Anssi: to start, we will welcome our latest new participants:
16:06:50 <anssik> ... Ilya Grigorik and Ates Goral from Shopify
16:07:00 <anssik> ... Julia Pagnucco from Google
16:07:26 <anssik> ... Qi Pan from Xiaoyuzhou
16:07:45 <anssik> ... Achim Schlosser from Bertelsmann SE & Co. KGaA
16:08:04 <anssik> ... Tania Millan, David Crowe as an individual contributor
16:08:09 <anssik> ... welcome all to the WebML Community Group!
16:08:20 <anssik> Topic: WebMCP
16:08:36 <anssik> gb, this is webmachinelearning/webmcp
16:08:36 <gb> anssik, OK.
16:08:51 <anssik> Subtopic: State of the Union
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16:09:12 <anssik> -> WebMCP - Draft Community Group Report https://webmachinelearning.github.io/webmcp/
16:09:34 <anssik> Anssi: last time we welcomed new WebMCP spec editors Brandon, Khushal and Dominic and discussed practicalities of spec editing:
16:09:39 <anssik> -> Prior meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-webmachinelearning-minutes.html#6409
16:10:09 <anssik> Anssi: we're now off to a great start with the spec and have diverse talent in this group that keeps on growing
16:10:21 <anssik> ... to that end, I want to make sure we make the best use of our talent pool
16:10:38 <anssik> ... and ensure everyone's contributions are well positioned
16:11:01 <anssik> ... first, I want to establish that all group participants, not just editors, are welcome to take an active role is advancing issue discussions, and proposing PRs
16:11:10 <anssik> ... no PR is too small!
16:11:36 <anssik> ... the editors will help review the proposals shared in GH issues and PRs
16:11:45 <anssik> ... if there are questions on contribution logistics, I'm always happy to help
16:12:37 <anssik> ... I have invited the broader web community to join us and I'm happy to see WebMCP experiments pop up that bring this technology to life and inform the spec development and its priorities
16:13:10 <anssik> ... the early seeds of the WebMCP spec draft were planted by prototyping activity by Alex and Jason, now WebMCP has advanced into browser vendors' experimental implementations
16:15:29 <anssik> Achim: I'm working on data standards at Bertelsmann, looking the impact of business models on media consumption and change the AI brings
16:15:39 <jason> chrome canary releasing the webmcp implementation + going viral on various platforms caused massive influx in interest as you can see with the star history of the repo. 500 -> 1.4k over a few days (https://www.star-history.com/#webmachinelearning/webmcp&type=date&legend=top-left)
16:15:59 <anssik> Anssi: to that end, I'd like to share an update on the implementation front:
16:16:08 <anssik> Anssi: an early preview of WebMCP is now available behind a flag in Chrome 146
16:16:14 <anssik> Anssi: here's how to test this early experimental WebMCP today:
16:16:17 <anssik> ... 1) get Chrome Canary 146+
16:16:22 <anssik> ... 2) enable chrome://flags/#enable-webmcp-testing
16:16:26 <chrishtr> q+
16:16:29 <anssik> ... 3) try experimental WebMCP demos, e.g. those shared in issue #90:
16:16:30 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/90 -> Issue 90 [Improvement]: List of sites supporting WebMCP (by javixeneize)
16:16:44 <anssik> -> Experimental WebMCP utils and demos by GoogleChromeLabs https://github.com/GoogleChromeLabs/webmcp-tools/blob/main/AWESOME_WEBMCP.md
16:16:54 <anssik> -> WebMCP bridge by Hemanth https://h3manth.com/ai/webmcp/
16:17:07 <chrishtr> q-
16:17:16 <anssik> -> Model Context Tool Inspector by Francois https://github.com/beaufortfrancois/model-context-tool-inspector
16:17:26 <anssik> Anssi: WebMCP bridge is an interesting experiment that lets you connect to any remote MCP server and exposes its tools to WebMCP API
16:18:50 <anssik> Dominic: Early Preview Program is available to gather feedback from early adopters re early implementation
16:19:47 <anssik> Anssi: if we look at the state of the spec
16:20:06 <anssik> ... besides the algorithmic prose, there's a lot of informative text that welcomes contributions from all group participants:
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16:20:32 <anssik> ... for example, introduction, terminology, security, privacy and accessibility sections, also sample code snippets
16:20:59 <chrishtr> q+
16:21:06 <anssik> ... below the IDL blocks we have non-normative green "for web developers" descriptions that benefit from review and comments from web developers who are the users of the API
16:21:22 <anssik> ... the normative descriptions are guidelines for browser implementers that ensure interoperability
16:21:27 <anssik> ack chrishtr
16:21:56 <anssik> Chris: considering the excitement could be make this meeting weekly?
16:22:15 <AlexN> +1
16:22:36 <jason> Is there appetite for recording calls for folks that cannot attend?
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16:23:41 <anssik> q?
16:23:47 <anssik> Subtopic: Updated declarative proposal
16:24:01 <anssik> Anssi: the group agreed to evolve the declarative proposal alongside the imperative WebMCP
16:24:19 <anssik> ... an updated declarative proposal is discussed in issue #22 and the proposal itself is in PR #76, superseding PR #26
16:24:20 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/pull/76 -> Pull Request 76 Declarative API Explainer (by domfarolino) [Agenda+]
16:24:20 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/22 -> Issue 22 Declarative API Equivalent (by EisenbergEffect) [declarative]
16:24:20 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/pull/26 -> CLOSED Pull Request 26 Declarative proposal to expose tools via HTML (by MiguelsPizza)
16:24:42 <anssik> ... PR #76 is currently marked as draft
16:24:47 <anssik> ... Dominic, would you like to introduce the new declarative explainer and the remaining TODOs?
16:25:03 <anssik> Dominic: the PR is now ready for rewiew
16:25:15 <anssik> ... it's in a good shape as an initial explainer
16:25:48 <anssik> ... on top of this PR, for TODOs, we want to spec input schema details
16:25:52 <anssik> -> WebMCP declarative API (PR preview) https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/blob/declarative-api-explainer/declarative-api-explainer.md
16:26:07 <anssik> Dominic: TODOs are not blocking the initial PR from landing
16:26:09 <anssik> q?
16:26:11 <bvandersloot> q+
16:27:15 <anssik> Dominic: I'm also working on a bigger spec change to improve internal structures on how to register tools, with reusability in mind
16:27:31 <anssik> q?
16:27:40 <anssik> ack bvandersloot
16:28:20 <anssik> BenV: I think the explainer is in a good share, a few questions I'll share in the PR soon
16:28:21 <anssik> q?
16:28:49 <anssik> q?
16:29:39 <anssik> Anssi: in issue #22 I see the community is developing more prototypes
16:29:40 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/22 -> Issue 22 Declarative API Equivalent (by EisenbergEffect) [declarative]
16:29:57 <anssik> Subtopic: Agent allowlist
16:30:05 <anssik> Anssi: issue comment https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/51#issuecomment-3893594368
16:30:07 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/51 -> Issue 51 Define the API for in-page Agents to use a site's declared tools (by khushalsagar) [Agenda+]
16:30:19 <anssik> ... Alex brought up a proposal for the "agent allowlist" to give more agency to the user and web author
16:30:25 <anssik> ... the motivating use case is from an enterprise perspective
16:30:47 <anssik> ... an enterprise may have developed its own internal browser extension for its userbase and web apps that define tools via WebMCP
16:30:58 <anssik> ... and the same enterprise wants to allow its own extension to call these WebMCP tools, but does not want to expose these same tools to 1P agents built into the browser
16:31:08 <anssik> ... I believe there may be e.g. legal or compliance reasons that vary by country that would require such a feature
16:31:23 <anssik> ... I could envision finance or health sector may have stricter requirements in this regard
16:31:50 <anssik> ... would the group support further work on this feature, starting with documenting this use case to understand the requirements?
16:31:52 <anssik> q?
16:32:30 <reillyg> q+
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16:32:38 <anssik> Alex: that was spot on, companies have comliance reasons for this feature to exists
16:32:41 <anssik> q?
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16:33:02 <anssik> ack reillyg
16:33:40 <anssik> Reilly: I'm only familiar with Chrome enterprise features, e.g. limiting copy-pasting between sites
16:34:29 <anssik> ... it could be an enterprise policy setting in browser
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16:34:39 <johannhof> Is there some duplication with https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/96?
16:34:40 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/96 -> Issue 96 Proposal: [Section 3] Address agent-to-tool trust — identity, scoped permissions, and delegation context (by davidcrowe)
16:35:09 <anssik> Alex: iframe in a page vs. libraries built by the community
16:35:14 <anssik> ack dom
16:35:52 <BenGreenstein> Chrome WebMCP Early Preview: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rtU1fRPS0bMqd9abMG_hc6K9OAI6soUy3Kh00toAgyk/edit?tab=t.0
16:35:56 <anssik> Dominic: how enforceable this feature would be?
16:36:25 <johannhof> q+
16:36:31 <anssik> ... it is all first-party script, we can't use same-origin policy restrictions, for iframe case it makes sense
16:36:34 <anssik> q?
16:37:05 <anssik> ack johannhof
16:38:12 <anssik> Johann: I agree we should discuss this feature in a GH issue to understand the requirements for filtering by agent
16:38:57 <anssik> q?
16:40:44 <anssik> Dominic: this could be discussed in the agent-client issue also
16:41:39 <anssik> Anssi: any objections to document UCs and reqs?
16:41:45 <anssik> [none heard]
16:41:50 <anssik> RESOLUTION: Open a dedicated issue to document "agent allowlist" use cases and requirements
16:42:00 <anssik> Subtopic: Stream tool arguments
16:42:09 <anssik> Anssi: issue #82
16:42:10 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/82 -> Issue 82 Proposal: Stream Tool Arguments (by MiguelsPizza) [Agenda+]
16:42:16 <anssik> ... another proposal from Alex to improve both DX and UX
16:42:28 <anssik> ... this proposal suggests a mechanism to allow streaming of chunks into page UI as the model generates them
16:42:38 <anssik> ... Alex explains that currently execute method fires only after the full arguments JSON is parsed
16:42:49 <anssik> ... this is problematic with large args such as email bodies and code
16:42:54 <anssik> ... an example of streaming tool args is CopilotKit Research Helper:
16:42:58 <anssik> -> https://www.copilotkit.ai/examples/canvas-research
16:43:43 <anssik> Alex: I think this closes the gap between the userland and WebMCP, you may generate large JSON with a loading spiller, this makes the document look more live
16:43:45 <anssik> q?
16:44:29 <anssik> Anssi: any comments or questions?
16:44:51 <anssik> Dominic: would the input schema not include primitives?
16:45:07 <anssik> ... maybe we want to augment input schema to allow streaming rather than allow streaming JSON?
16:45:42 <anssik> Alex: have an issue open for browser schema validation
16:46:03 <anssik> q?
16:46:03 <AlexN> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/92
16:46:05 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/92 -> Issue 92 Who owns the validation layer? (by MiguelsPizza)
16:46:20 <anssik> q?
16:46:39 <anssik> Present+ Winston_Chen
16:47:17 <anssik> Subtopic: WebExtensions API to enumerate and invoke tools
16:47:23 <anssik> Anssi: issue #74
16:47:24 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/74 -> Issue 74 WebExtensions API to enumerate and invoke tools (by reillyeon) [Agenda+]
16:47:28 <anssik> ... a proposal from Reilly
16:47:42 <anssik> ... this issue is spun off from issue #23 by Jason that discussed three different categories of agents and how they might interface with WebMCP
16:47:43 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/23 -> Issue 23 External MCP Client API / Permissions (by jasonjmcghee)
16:47:56 <anssik> ... 1) 1P in-browser agents, use browser-specific internal APIs
16:48:14 <anssik> ... 2) 3P in-browser agents ~ browser extensions, use APIs defined by the WebExtensions group
16:48:29 <anssik> ... 3) external desktop agents, use OS provided native APIs
16:48:47 <reillyg> q+
16:48:59 <anssik> ... Reilly proposes an approach to address the second case by collaborating with the WebExtensions group to define an API for use by browser extensions to enumerate an invoke tools defined with WebMCP
16:49:03 <anssik> ... I see support in the issue discussion for the proposed approach
16:49:06 <anssik> ack reillyg
16:49:51 <anssik> Reilly: motivation is to make sure folks working on WebMCP are aware of WebExtensions
16:50:40 <anssik> ... it's be nice to have a proper WebExtensions API to expose these features to browser extensions
16:50:41 <anssik> q?
16:51:30 <anssik> Dominic: does the proposal in issue #51 satisfy this request?
16:51:31 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/51 -> Issue 51 Define the API for in-page Agents to use a site's declared tools (by khushalsagar) [Agenda+]
16:51:51 <reillyg> q+
16:51:53 <Victor> q+
16:52:04 <anssik> Dominic: would like to hear from extension folks whether that covers the use case
16:52:07 <anssik> ack reillyg
16:52:47 <brwalder> q+
16:53:12 <anssik> Reilly: extensions script calling a page script is not possible cleanly, this should be easy to do
16:53:13 <anssik> q?
16:53:29 <jg> thats good to know - web ext API and normal API would do the same under the hood but be exposed in different contexts
16:53:48 <anssik> Dominic: what's the complexity there, you can to inject a script, rather than call an explicit API?
16:54:52 <AlexN> q+
16:55:37 <anssik> Reilly: the complexity is injecting a script into the page that can interact with a DOM, communication based on postMessage, also makes permissions more complex
16:55:57 <anssik> q?
16:56:07 <anssik> q?
16:56:35 <anssik> ack Victor
16:57:10 <anssik> ack brwalder
16:57:25 <anssik> ack AlexN
16:57:31 <anssik> ack AlexN
16:58:02 <anssik> Subtopic: WebMCP <-> MCP Apps bridge
16:58:07 <anssik> Anssi: issue #57
16:58:08 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/57 -> Issue 57 Allow iframes to declare tools (by khushalsagar) [Agenda+]
16:58:17 <anssik> Anssi: I think this issue relates on a high-level with the previous topic
16:58:26 <anssik> ... in the previous topic we discussed how to bridge WebMCP with WebExtensions
16:58:38 <anssik> ... in this topic I'd like to continue discussion on how WebMCP bridges with MCP Apps
16:58:41 <anssik> -> Prior discussion https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-webmachinelearning-minutes.html#e509
16:58:46 <anssik> -> MCP Apps docs https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/extensions/apps
16:58:56 <anssik> Anssi: for context setting, we recall MCP Apps run in a sandboxed iframe
16:59:05 <anssik> ... do MCP Apps have specific requirements that differ from regular web content running in an iframe?
16:59:21 <anssik> ... does the group consider MCP Apps a specific case of iframed web content, or an extension to it?
16:59:28 <anssik> q?
16:59:43 <anssik> q?
17:00:18 <jason> (re meeting minutes, anssi, do you have access to zoom captions/ full transcript? it might allow you to recover what folks said during the meeting)
17:00:23 <anssik> Kryspin: issue #51 addresses one aspect of MCP Apps bridge, MCP Apps need to know what 3P agents are doing
17:00:24 <gb> https://github.com/webmachinelearning/webmcp/issues/51 -> Issue 51 Define the API for in-page Agents to use a site's declared tools (by khushalsagar) [Agenda+]
17:00:59 <anssik> q?
17:02:28 <AlexN> q+
17:02:33 <anssik> Kryspin: for MCP Apps, the only thing is there's concurrency, listener to know there's tool execution and what is the state of execution, two authorities, MCP Agent and what's driving the MCP Apps
17:02:43 <anssik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:03:53 <anssik> ack AlexN
17:04:11 <anssik> Alex: this is something that can probably be polyfilled
17:04:25 <anssik> Dominic: we need to ensure MCP Apps are compatible with WebMCP
17:04:48 <anssik> Kryspin: if we implement issue #51 that'll solve a lot of this things
17:04:48 <anssik> q?
17:05:51 <anssik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:06:59 <anssik> Present+ James_Garbutt
17:07:01 <anssik> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:27:12 <jason> i was able to do it on the call