15:56:51 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #rdf-star
15:56:56 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-irc
15:56:56 <ktk> meeting: RDF-star WG meeting
15:57:07 <ktk> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20260219T120000/
15:57:08 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:57:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:57:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Next Horizontal Reviews
15:57:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:57:09 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
15:57:12 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:57:16 <ktk> present+
15:57:23 <ktk> chair: ktk
15:57:23 <TallTed> TallTed has joined #rdf-star
15:58:21 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
15:58:28 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
16:33:00 <AndyS> AndyS has joined #rdf-star
16:33:00 <ktk> ktk has joined #rdf-star
16:33:00 <rhiaro> rhiaro has joined #rdf-star
16:33:00 <driib576> driib576 has joined #rdf-star
16:33:00 <Tpt> Tpt has joined #rdf-star
16:34:39 <AndyS> AndyS has joined #rdf-star
16:34:39 <ktk> ktk has joined #rdf-star
16:34:39 <rhiaro> rhiaro has joined #rdf-star
16:34:39 <driib576> driib576 has joined #rdf-star
16:34:39 <Tpt> Tpt has joined #rdf-star
16:36:31 <ktk> present-
16:55:24 <niklasl> niklasl has joined #rdf-star
16:59:45 <pchampin> present+
17:00:20 <AndyS> present+
17:00:36 <pfps> pfps has joined #rdf-star
17:00:48 <AndyS> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:00:55 <j22> j22 has joined #rdf-star
17:00:55 <niklasl> present+
17:00:55 <j22> present+
17:00:57 <TallTed> regrets+ ora, ktk
17:01:01 <pchampin> chair: pchampin
17:01:02 <olaf> olaf has joined #rdf-star
17:01:06 <pfps> present+
17:01:23 <olaf> present+
17:01:30 <doerthe> doerthe has joined #rdf-star
17:01:38 <doerthe> present+
17:01:39 <tl> tl has joined #rdf-star
17:01:48 <gtw> present+
17:02:07 <enrico> enrico has joined #rdf-star
17:02:17 <enrico> present+
17:03:11 <AZ> AZ has joined #rdf-star
17:03:17 <AZ> present+
17:03:28 <lisp> lisp has joined #rdf-star
17:03:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:03:58 <TallTed> present+
17:04:06 <doerthe> scribe+
17:04:20 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
17:04:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:05:03 <pchampin> PROPOSED: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:05:07 <lisp> present+
17:05:17 <pchampin> +0
17:05:34 <TallTed> +1
17:05:43 <Souri> Souri has joined #rdf-star
17:05:50 <j22> +1
17:05:58 <doerthe> +0
17:05:58 <tl> +1
17:05:58 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
17:05:58 <pfps> +1
17:05:58 <olaf> +1
17:05:58 <Souri> +1
17:05:58 <lisp> +1
17:06:01 <gtw> +1
17:06:02 <niklasl> +1
17:06:03 <AndyS> +1
17:06:07 <AZ> +0 (not present)
17:06:07 <tl> present+
17:06:24 <pchampin> RESOLVED: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:06:30 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
17:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Next Horizontal Reviews -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:06:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:07:17 <TallTed> present- ktk
17:07:34 <doerthe> pchampin: question here is, should we start the next batch? Does the group think that we are ready for that?
17:07:56 <pchampin> q?
17:08:06 <niklasl> Sound good to me.
17:08:26 <pchampin> s/next batch/next batch: the rest of the "turtle family"
17:08:36 <AndyS> Sounds good.
17:08:48 <olaf> What do the editors of these docs think?
17:09:36 <doerthe> .. we should ask the editor, unfortunately, Dominik is not present
17:10:08 <pchampin> STRAWPOLL: should we start Horizontal Review, aiming for CR, for n-quads, turtle and trig?
17:10:14 <doerthe> .. but we could do a straw poll
17:10:18 <pchampin> +1
17:10:21 <niklasl> +1
17:10:25 <Souri> +1
17:10:25 <pfps> +1
17:10:29 <enrico> +1
17:10:29 <doerthe> +1
17:10:32 <AZ> +1
17:10:32 <olaf> +1
17:10:34 <gtw> +1
17:10:35 <TallTed> +1
17:10:38 <tl> +0
17:10:51 <AndyS> NQ needs profile?
17:10:52 <j22> +0
17:10:59 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/issues/88
17:11:00 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-quads/issues/88 -> Issue 88 `profile` in Internet Media Type (by domel)
17:11:12 <lisp> +1
17:11:49 <doerthe> phampin: we need to add the profile for NQ, I think the same for turtle and TriG
17:12:34 <doerthe> .. but these issues do not stop us from requesting horizontal review
17:12:46 <AndyS> q+
17:12:56 <pchampin> ack AndyS
17:13:34 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124
17:13:34 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124 -> Issue 124 Proposal: Support trailing commas, not just trailing semicolons (by trwnh)
17:13:42 <doerthe> AndyS: there is one outstanding issue, namely https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124
17:13:53 <doerthe> .. we discussed that one last week
17:14:03 <doerthe> .. I did not close it yet
17:14:19 <pchampin> i|github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124/|subtopic: trailing commas in Turtle
17:14:59 <doerthe> pchampin: Did we decide not not do the change because it would break other things?
17:15:06 <doerthe> Andys: yes
17:15:32 <doerthe> pchampin: anything else there to add?
17:15:46 <AndyS> +1 to go to horizontal review
17:15:48 <Souri> q+
17:16:06 <pchampin> ACTION pchampin to check with domel that he is OK to move forward to Horizontal review and CR for n-quads, turtle and trig
17:16:26 <pchampin> ACTION: pchampin to check with domel that he is OK to move forward to Horizontal review and CR for n-quads, turtle and trig
17:16:33 <gb> Created -> action #188 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/188
17:16:41 <pchampin> s/ACTION pchampin to check with domel that he is OK to move forward to Horizontal review and CR for n-quads, turtle and trig/
17:16:46 <pchampin> q?
17:16:53 <pchampin> ack Souri
17:17:42 <pchampin> subtopic: status of N-Triples
17:17:49 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79
17:17:50 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79 -> Issue 79 Horizontal Reviews tracker for N-Triples (by pchampin) [ms:CR]
17:18:03 <doerthe> Souri: I am all for going for N-quads, turtle, and TriG. How do we deal with the open issues of N-triples?
17:19:50 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/84
17:19:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/84 -> Issue 84 `version` parameter registration conflicts with common practice. (by afs)
17:20:39 <doerthe> pchampin: I am just checking the issues, most of these seem to not stop us, but I will have a closer look
17:20:41 <pchampin> q?
17:20:52 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
17:20:52 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:23:23 <doerthe> pchampin: anything from you to report, niklasl?
17:23:38 <doerthe> niklasl: not really, waiting for feedback
17:23:41 <pchampin> Zakim, open next item
17:23:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:24:14 <pchampin> q?
17:24:18 <doerthe> pchampin: anything to report on these issues?
17:24:35 <pchampin> subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248
17:24:35 <gb> s|https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248|-> Issue 248 Resolve "Editor's notes" (by afs) [ms:CR] https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248
17:25:40 <doerthe> pchampin:   this one https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/248 is almost done, only acknowledgements missing
17:25:52 <doerthe> .. any comments on that?
17:26:14 <pchampin> subtopic: Semantic tests w3c/rdf-semantics#179 w3c/rdf-semantics#181 w3c/rdf-semantics#183
17:26:15 <gb> s|w3c/rdf-semantics#179|-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/179 "Issue 179 Semantics tests: location of test files. (by afs) [ms:CR]"
17:26:15 <gb> s|w3c/rdf-semantics#181|-> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/181 "Issue 181 Semantics tests: Confirm that the test suite is complete and executable (by afs) [ms:CR]"
17:26:15 <gb> s|w3c/rdf-semantics#183|-> Issue 183 Semantics tests : open issues (by afs) [ms:CR] https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/183
17:26:26 <doerthe> .. there are some problems with the test suite of RDF semantics
17:27:05 <doerthe> .. I ran my implementation against the tests and created two PRs for the issues I found
17:27:13 <pfps> q+
17:27:19 <doerthe> .. I also raised a few issues
17:27:22 <pchampin> ack pfps
17:27:40 <doerthe> pfps: I reviewed the PRs and they look good to me
17:28:08 <doerthe> .. for your other issues, I created one PR (for the most easy one)
17:28:29 <doerthe> .. we need to think about the missing entailment rule
17:28:36 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/185
17:28:36 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/185 -> Issue 185 missing pattern for RDFS entailment (by pchampin) [spec:enhancement]
17:30:34 <doerthe> .. I found a problem with overlapping value spaced, I will submit it later
17:30:46 <pchampin> q?
17:31:04 <doerthe> technically all these changes are editorial as they only cover the informative entailment rules
17:32:19 <doerthe> .. one problem was about the completeness of the test suite
17:33:03 <doerthe> pfps: it cannot be complete but we are the most important cases
17:33:49 <AndyS> q+
17:33:52 <doerthe> pchampin: AZ, you also have test cases, right? Maybe it is a good time to add these now?
17:34:40 <doerthe> AZ: I made some for RDF 1.1 but they were never added, not sure whether we should do it now. It mainly covers corner cases
17:35:02 <pchampin> ack AndyS
17:35:04 <doerthe> .. of course I can add them
17:35:59 <doerthe> AndyS: can we move the manifest somewhere special, so that people can directly see what needs to be covered
17:37:31 <doerthe> pchampin: we have a subfolder structure which can be confusing, especially manifest/AZ, the other manifests seem right to me
17:38:20 <doerthe> .. if we move manifest-AZ, would that solve the problem for you Andy?
17:38:27 <doerthe> AndyS: yes
17:39:30 <pchampin> q?
17:39:57 <AZ> s|manifest/AZ|manifest-az
17:40:13 <pchampin> zakim, open next irem
17:40:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open next irem', pchampin
17:40:16 <pchampin> zakim, open next item
17:40:16 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:40:31 <enrico> q+
17:40:56 <pchampin> ack enrico
17:41:08 <niklasl> q+
17:41:14 <doerthe> enrico: you opened an issues for a missing entailment and I think it is not sound
17:41:33 <doerthe> .. because what if you start with an empty graph
17:41:50 <doerthe> pchampin: but there are axiomatic triples in RDFS
17:42:12 <doerthe> enrico: ok, but what if they have a triple term?
17:42:15 <niklasl> IPR from IR x IP x IR
17:42:44 <doerthe> pchampin: but there are no triple terms in the axiomatic triples
17:42:54 <niklasl> at least rdf:type
17:44:10 <doerthe> pfps: not sure whether it should be an axiom or an entailment rules
17:44:24 <doerthe> .. the problem is the fresh blank node
17:44:49 <doerthe> .. we should add it as a rule
17:44:53 <pchampin> i|you opened an issues|subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/185
17:45:45 <pchampin> q?
17:45:46 <doerthe> pchampin: I will add more PRs
17:46:34 <doerthe> .. there is also a problem with integer and decimal as these overlap
17:47:13 <pchampin> q?
17:47:23 <pchampin> ack niklasl
17:49:21 <doerthe> niklasl: I am afraid of an infinite amount of triples in https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/185
17:49:22 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/185 -> Issue 185 missing pattern for RDFS entailment (by pchampin) [ms:CR] [spec:enhancement]
17:50:14 <pchampin> q?
17:50:26 <doerthe> pchampin: it is not a problem because we use a blank node here. But of course we can have an infinite amount of proposition.
17:50:51 <pchampin> q?
17:51:15 <Souri> q+
17:51:23 <pchampin> ack Souri
17:52:13 <doerthe> Souri: There was a tutorial about RDF-star at ISWC, could we keep the slides for that up to date?
17:52:43 <doerthe> enrico: so far it is up to date
17:53:05 <pchampin> i|was a tutorial|subtopic: ISWC tutorial
17:53:14 <doerthe> .. I will use the slides in my note about reification
17:53:16 <pchampin> https://www.w3.org/Talks/2025/iswc-tutorial-rdfsparql-12/
17:53:23 <pchampin> q?
17:53:54 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:53:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:54:22 <olaf> olaf has left #rdf-star
17:54:58 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:55:07 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/26-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:55:09 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:55:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
18:33:47 <pfps> pfps has left #rdf-star