IRC log of rdf-star on 2026-02-12
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- previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG telecon
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260212T120000/
- 16:59:21 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
- 16:59:21 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- agenda+ Updates from the SPARQL TF
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- agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
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- agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
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- agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
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- present+
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- 17:00:13 [AndyS]
- present+
- 17:00:42 [niklasl]
- present+
- 17:00:58 [ktk]
- regrets+ pchampin, fsasaki, AZ
- 17:00:59 [olaf]
- present+
- 17:01:00 [Tpt]
- present+
- 17:01:01 [ktk]
- present+
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- present+
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- present+
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- chair: ktk
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- present+
- 17:03:12 [pfps]
- present+
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- present+
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- Zakim, open item 1
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- agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:03:36 [pfps]
- minutes look acceptable to me
- 17:04:00 [lisp]
- present+
- 17:04:14 [draggett]
- scribenick: draggett
- 17:04:22 [ktk]
- q?
- 17:04:23 [j22]
- present+
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- PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
- 17:04:27 [pfps]
- +1
- 17:04:28 [niklasl]
- +1
- 17:04:29 [TallTed]
- +1
- 17:04:29 [Dominik_T]
- +0 (absent)
- 17:04:32 [ktk]
- +1
- 17:04:33 [lisp]
- +1
- 17:04:34 [j22]
- +0 (absent)
- 17:04:38 [olaf]
- +0 (absent)
- 17:04:38 [AndyS]
- +1
- 17:04:46 [tl]
- +0 (i wrote them)
- 17:04:49 [gtw]
- +1
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- 17:05:13 [draggett]
- topic: Approval of last week's minutes
- 17:05:16 [Tpt]
- +1
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- present+
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- +1
- 17:05:29 [ktk]
- RESOLUTION: Approve last week's minutes
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- Zakim, next item
- 17:05:34 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Updates from the SPARQL TF -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:06:00 [draggett]
- Anyone able to report on that?
- 17:06:26 [draggett]
- AndyS: not much to report
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- q+
- 17:06:45 [ktk]
- ack lisp
- 17:07:37 [draggett]
- james: I volunteered to work on XX and will bring this up next Friday
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- adrian: what's under consideration for the SPARQL TF?
- 17:09:22 [AndyS]
- s/XX/SPARQL Protocol tests/
- 17:09:22 [draggett]
- AndyS: the backlog is quite long
- 17:09:25 [ktk]
- q?
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:10:40 [draggett]
- Pierre-Antoine is away this week.
- 17:10:48 [ktk]
- Zakim, open item 4
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- agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:11:44 [draggett]
- Adrian: are we close to being able to request horizontal review?
- 17:12:08 [niklasl]
- q+
- 17:12:10 [draggett]
- Jerven: we still need to fix on the syntax
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- should I push this forward, some guidance would be handy
- 17:12:42 [AndyS]
- ack niklasl
- 17:12:43 [draggett]
- niklasl: we need to work though the pros and cons ...
- 17:12:45 [j22]
- The issue is https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/80
- 17:12:46 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/80 -> Issue 80 rdf:annotation and rdf:annotationNodeID maybe confused by pre rdf/xml 1.2 parsers (by JervenBolleman)
- 17:13:18 [j22]
- Yes rdf/xml needs a bit more time
- 17:13:57 [draggett]
- Adrian: I have a much more complete list ...
- 17:13:59 [j22]
- Yes, even if 5 minutes chat on rdf/xml would be appreciated
- 17:14:33 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:16:02 [draggett]
- It is a long list of people!
- 17:16:16 [lisp]
- why does enrico appear with presence count=2
- 17:16:56 [ktk]
- q?
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- ack pfps
- 17:17:17 [draggett]
- Adrian: I will clean up and remove duplicates
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- pfps: I am happy to help, but am unsure what to do
- 17:18:02 [ktk]
- q?
- 17:18:16 [pfps]
- so I would appreciate some help
- 17:18:23 [AndyS]
- q+
- 17:19:28 [draggett]
- AndyS: there's an issue on RDF semantics
- 17:19:36 [AndyS]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/183
- 17:19:37 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/183 -> Issue 183 Semantics tests : open issues (by afs) [ms:CR]
- 17:19:56 [draggett]
- pfps: so there's 5 issues, but I am not sure where these should go
- 17:20:03 [draggett]
- I asked for advice
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- AndyS: Greg replied
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- pfps: I will scream for help if I get stuck
- 17:21:10 [draggett]
- Andy: main challenge is whether tests were correctly remove as being incorrect
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- pfps: so you're suggesting someone checks the semantic tests
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- AndyS: we only need to work worry about the RDF 1.2 tests
- 17:22:32 [ktk]
- q?
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- ack AndyS
- 17:22:43 [niklasl]
- This one is new https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/288 (3 hours old)
- 17:22:44 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/288 -> Issue 288 Reification triple appears unexpectedly in results for SPARQL 1.2 reification queries: eval-triple-terms basic-2, basic-3 tests (by desislava-hristova-ontotext)
- 17:22:51 [AndyS]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124
- 17:22:51 [gb]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124 -> Issue 124 Proposal: Support trailing commas, not just trailing semicolons (by trwnh)
- 17:23:01 [tl]
- s/work worry /worry
- 17:23:06 [draggett]
- AndyS: an issue on Turtle
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- It is very difficult to change syntax on the Web as people will start using whatever is proposed
- 17:24:19 [ktk]
- q?
- 17:24:20 [Dominik_T]
- +1
- 17:25:00 [niklasl]
- q+
- 17:25:26 [draggett]
- TallTed: it would make mine and many other people's lives easier if Turtle allowed trailing commas
- 17:25:52 [ktk]
- ack niklasl
- 17:26:24 [draggett]
- niklasl: when would it be possible to every do this? A new syntax?
- 17:26:49 [draggett]
- ... dependent on people updating their libraries quickly
- 17:27:13 [draggett]
- TallTed: can we force a switch from 1.1. to 2.0?
- 17:27:51 [draggett]
- niklasl: small changes may be acceptable as part of a major new version
- 17:28:24 [draggett]
- AndyS: should people put the version on the first line?
- 17:28:37 [ktk]
- q?
- 17:28:41 [draggett]
- ... better to add backward compatible changes
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- AndyS: another issue is adding underscores and numbers, but where do you drawl the line?
- 17:29:40 [draggett]
- s/drawl/draw/
- 17:29:42 [niklasl]
- Commonly used for 1_000_0000 etc.
- 17:29:59 [niklasl]
- Supported even in *modern* C, IIRC
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- q+
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- q+
- 17:31:03 [ktk]
- ack lisp
- 17:31:05 [draggett]
- James: breaking changes should have major benefits, so I would not be inclined to support this
- 17:31:08 [AndyS]
- ack lisp
- 17:31:12 [draggett]
- Souri: I agree with that
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- ack Souri
- 17:31:27 [niklasl]
- Fair point.
- 17:31:53 [niklasl]
- +1 to souri; I'm actually -0.9 on adding ^ (inverse)
- 17:32:09 [niklasl]
- Though _at times_ I really miss it.
- 17:32:24 [Dominik_T]
- +1 to souri too
- 17:32:44 [draggett]
- TallTed: this change would make it easier for human authoring, but I can see the arguments against it, and consider them to be stronger
- 17:33:10 [niklasl]
- ( I've even used SPARQL constructs as "data with macros" :P (cf. TARQL) )
- 17:33:15 [draggett]
- AndyS: it may be a modern convention, but it would be very difficult to adopt on the web
- 17:33:28 [lisp]
- +1
- 17:33:54 [niklasl]
- +1
- 17:34:09 [draggett]
- ... we would need to bundle a lot of changes with a major version number increment
- 17:34:24 [ktk]
- q?
- 17:35:02 [draggett]
- Adrian: anyone know who submitted the issue?
- 17:35:08 [draggett]
- AndyS: no
- 17:35:15 [ktk]
- Zakim, next item
- 17:35:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- Zakim, open item 5
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- agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- q?
- 17:36:03 [draggett]
- any other business? [no]
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- end of meeting
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- 17:46:45 [niklasl]
- Here's that old Grit design I mentioned: https://github.com/oort/oort/blob/wiki/Grit.md
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- Zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, AndyS, niklasl, olaf, Tpt, ktk, gtw, draggett, Dominik_T, pfps, tl, lisp, j, Souri
- 17:58:38 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see no action items