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16:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:58:33 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:58:33 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/19-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:00 <TallTed> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG telecon
16:59:21 <TallTed> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260212T120000/
16:59:21 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:59:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Updates from the SPARQL TF
16:59:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
16:59:21 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
16:59:24 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
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16:59:56 <TallTed> present+
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17:00:13 <AndyS> present+
17:00:42 <niklasl> present+
17:00:58 <ktk> regrets+ pchampin, fsasaki, AZ
17:00:59 <olaf> present+
17:01:00 <Tpt> present+
17:01:01 <ktk> present+
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17:02:57 <TallTed> chair: ktk
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17:03:11 <Dominik_T> present+
17:03:12 <pfps> present+
17:03:19 <tl> present+
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17:03:30 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
17:03:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:36 <pfps> minutes look acceptable to me
17:04:00 <lisp> present+
17:04:14 <draggett> scribenick: draggett
17:04:22 <ktk> q?
17:04:23 <j22> present+
17:04:25 <ktk>  PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
17:04:27 <pfps> +1
17:04:28 <niklasl> +1
17:04:29 <TallTed> +1
17:04:29 <Dominik_T> +0 (absent)
17:04:32 <ktk> +1
17:04:33 <lisp> +1
17:04:34 <j22> +0 (absent)
17:04:38 <olaf> +0 (absent)
17:04:38 <AndyS> +1
17:04:46 <tl> +0 (i wrote them)
17:04:49 <gtw> +1
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17:05:13 <draggett> topic: Approval of last week's minutes
17:05:16 <Tpt> +1
17:05:18 <Souri> present+
17:05:20 <Souri> +1
17:05:29 <ktk>  RESOLUTION: Approve last week's minutes
17:05:34 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:05:34 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates from the SPARQL TF -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:06:00 <draggett> Anyone able to report on that?
17:06:26 <draggett> AndyS: not much to report
17:06:35 <lisp> q+
17:06:45 <ktk> ack lisp
17:07:37 <draggett> james: I volunteered to work on XX and will bring this up next Friday
17:08:25 <draggett> adrian: what's under consideration for the SPARQL TF?
17:09:22 <AndyS> s/XX/SPARQL Protocol tests/
17:09:22 <draggett> AndyS: the backlog is quite long
17:09:25 <ktk> q?
17:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:09:59 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:09:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:10:40 <draggett> Pierre-Antoine is away this week.
17:10:48 <ktk> Zakim, open item 4
17:10:48 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:11:44 <draggett> Adrian: are we close to being able to request horizontal review?
17:12:08 <niklasl> q+
17:12:10 <draggett> Jerven: we still need to fix on the syntax
17:12:25 <draggett> should I push this forward, some guidance would be handy
17:12:42 <AndyS> ack niklasl
17:12:43 <draggett> niklasl: we need to work though the pros and cons ...
17:12:45 <j22> The issue is https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/80
17:12:46 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-xml/issues/80 -> Issue 80 rdf:annotation and rdf:annotationNodeID maybe confused by pre rdf/xml 1.2 parsers (by JervenBolleman)
17:13:18 <j22> Yes rdf/xml needs a bit more time
17:13:57 <draggett> Adrian: I have a much more complete list ...
17:13:59 <j22> Yes, even if 5 minutes chat on rdf/xml would be appreciated
17:14:33 <pfps> q+
17:16:02 <draggett> It is a long list of people!
17:16:16 <lisp> why does enrico appear with presence count=2
17:16:56 <ktk> q?
17:17:17 <ktk> ack pfps
17:17:17 <draggett> Adrian: I will clean up and remove duplicates
17:17:40 <draggett> pfps: I am happy to help, but am unsure what to do
17:18:02 <ktk> q?
17:18:16 <pfps> so I would appreciate some help
17:18:23 <AndyS> q+
17:19:28 <draggett> AndyS: there's an issue on RDF semantics
17:19:36 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/183
17:19:37 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/183 -> Issue 183 Semantics tests : open issues (by afs) [ms:CR]
17:19:56 <draggett> pfps: so there's 5 issues, but I am not sure where these should go
17:20:03 <draggett> I asked for advice
17:20:09 <draggett> AndyS: Greg replied
17:20:44 <draggett> pfps: I will scream for help if I get stuck
17:21:10 <draggett> Andy: main challenge is whether tests were correctly remove as being incorrect
17:21:35 <draggett> pfps: so you're suggesting someone checks the semantic tests
17:21:50 <draggett> AndyS: we only need to work worry about the RDF 1.2 tests
17:22:32 <ktk> q?
17:22:42 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:22:43 <niklasl> This one is new https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/288 (3 hours old)
17:22:44 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/issues/288 -> Issue 288 Reification triple appears unexpectedly in results for SPARQL 1.2 reification queries: eval-triple-terms basic-2, basic-3 tests (by desislava-hristova-ontotext)
17:22:51 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124
17:22:51 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/issues/124 -> Issue 124 Proposal: Support trailing commas, not just trailing semicolons (by trwnh)
17:23:01 <tl> s/work worry /worry
17:23:06 <draggett> AndyS: an issue on Turtle
17:24:06 <draggett> It is very difficult to change syntax on the Web as people will start using whatever is proposed
17:24:19 <ktk> q?
17:24:20 <Dominik_T> +1
17:25:00 <niklasl> q+
17:25:26 <draggett> TallTed: it would make mine and many other people's lives easier if Turtle allowed trailing commas
17:25:52 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:26:24 <draggett> niklasl: when would it be possible to every do this?  A new syntax?
17:26:49 <draggett> ... dependent on people updating their libraries quickly
17:27:13 <draggett> TallTed: can we force a switch from 1.1. to 2.0?
17:27:51 <draggett> niklasl: small changes may be acceptable as part of a major new version
17:28:24 <draggett> AndyS: should people put the version on the first line?
17:28:37 <ktk> q?
17:28:41 <draggett> ... better to add backward compatible changes
17:29:16 <draggett> AndyS: another issue is adding underscores and numbers, but where do you drawl the line?
17:29:40 <draggett> s/drawl/draw/
17:29:42 <niklasl> Commonly used for 1_000_0000 etc.
17:29:59 <niklasl> Supported even in *modern* C, IIRC
17:30:24 <lisp> q+
17:30:57 <Souri> q+
17:31:03 <ktk> ack lisp
17:31:05 <draggett> James: breaking changes should have major benefits, so I would not be inclined to support this
17:31:08 <AndyS> ack lisp
17:31:12 <draggett> Souri: I agree with that
17:31:16 <AndyS> ack Souri
17:31:27 <niklasl> Fair point.
17:31:53 <niklasl> +1 to souri; I'm actually -0.9 on adding ^ (inverse)
17:32:09 <niklasl> Though _at times_ I really miss it.
17:32:24 <Dominik_T> +1 to souri too
17:32:44 <draggett> TallTed: this change would make it easier for human authoring, but I can see the arguments against it, and consider them to be stronger
17:33:10 <niklasl> ( I've even used SPARQL constructs as "data with macros" :P (cf. TARQL) )
17:33:15 <draggett> AndyS: it may be a modern convention, but it would be very difficult to adopt on the web
17:33:28 <lisp> +1
17:33:54 <niklasl> +1
17:34:09 <draggett> ... we would need to bundle a lot of changes with a major version number increment
17:34:24 <ktk> q?
17:35:02 <draggett> Adrian: anyone know who submitted the issue?
17:35:08 <draggett> AndyS: no
17:35:15 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:35:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:35:28 <ktk> Zakim, open item 5
17:35:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:35:43 <ktk> q?
17:36:03 <draggett> any other business?  [no]
17:36:27 <draggett> end of meeting
17:36:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:46:45 <niklasl> Here's that old Grit design I mentioned: https://github.com/oort/oort/blob/wiki/Grit.md
17:47:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
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17:58:36 <TallTed> Zakim, end meeting
17:58:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, AndyS, niklasl, olaf, Tpt, ktk, gtw, draggett, Dominik_T, pfps, tl, lisp, j, Souri
17:58:38 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:58:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html Zakim
17:58:45 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, TallTed; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:58:50 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
17:58:50 <RRSAgent> I see no action items