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13:46:50 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JJ
13:46:51 <JJ> Zakim, this is MATF 11 February 2026
13:46:52 <Zakim> got it, JJ
13:46:55 <JJ> Meeting: MATF 11 February 2026
13:47:00 <JJ> chair+
13:47:08 <JJ> agenda+ User Agent definition
13:47:14 <JJ> agenda+ Cross-platform Framework definition
13:47:19 <JJ> agenda+ Not modified by the author / Provided by the user agent or platform software
13:47:23 <JJ> agenda+ Underlying layer
13:59:24 <JJ> regrets+ JoeHumbert
13:59:29 <JJ> regrets+ qbalsdon
13:59:36 <JJ> regrets+ TimGravemaker
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14:03:41 <Tanya> present+
14:03:45 <RobW> present+
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14:06:19 <Detlev> Welcome Jatin!
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14:07:00 <shoobe01> Present+
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14:09:45 <JJ> scribe: RobW
14:10:06 <JJ> zakim, agenda?
14:10:06 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:10:07 <Zakim> 1. User Agent definition [from JJ]
14:10:07 <Zakim> 2. Cross-platform Framework definition [from JJ]
14:10:07 <Zakim> 3. Not modified by the author / Provided by the user agent or platform software [from JJ]
14:10:07 <Zakim> 4. Underlying layer [from JJ]
14:10:13 <JJ> move to next agendum
14:10:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- User Agent definition -- taken up [from JJ]
14:10:33 <JJ> JJ: This is an example
14:11:24 <JJ> Recap of 28 January -> https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/270#issuecomment-3884513254
14:13:36 <JJ> First attempt of diagram: https://github.com/w3c/matf/issues/63#issuecomment-3811844875
14:17:24 <pauljadam> web view still can allow pinch to zoom
14:20:47 <Detlev> +q
14:21:16 <JJ> ack Detlev
14:22:02 <JJ> JJ: Summarized discussion about the diagram and remarks about WebViews + User Preferences in context of EN 301 549
14:22:34 <shoobe01> q+
14:24:15 <RobW> Detlev: software should take underlying system settings for text size etc, but unclear how this works for web views. If setting not on layer below then this may not apply - this could be a get out for developers.
14:25:53 <JJ> ack shoobe
14:26:28 <RobW> Miro: https://miro.com/welcomeonboard/R0dUeHp3dUd1Nmp4ZG5lWVo4eG5kekY4dHlTbHZWMzh2TS91WTZJSTRQTDJYKzVTd3Q3RU9KSC9RMGRJN1lrM3dCRnBHdDRrRHhNVkxrWEZ5ZGh6TVpsVnVJY2tXR2hwVm5GU3Y4VFJramI1bjgyNmdBcmd3WG9zemRZRkR1cU9hWWluRVAxeXRuUUgwWDl3Mk1qRGVRPT0hdjE=?share_link_id=386230017222
14:27:07 <Detlev> agree!
14:28:09 <shoobe01> +1. Miro good idea for e.g. allowing inline comments etc. I will be adding dozens more I think :)
14:28:52 <JJ> JJ: Thinks that its not unreasonable to expect app developers to make web content fully accessible, e.g. considering user preferences. If not able, they can open the web content in browser, or use native components, or pass user preferences using headers / url parameters / etc.
14:29:06 <JJ> RobW: Explaining the Miro diagram from technical perspective
14:30:14 <JJ> quintinb: Added comment about adding a layer after Platform Software for frameworks like React Native and Flutter
14:31:51 <JJ> Comment 1: Does assistive tech in mobile fall under application software?
14:35:27 <JJ> Comment 2: on Application software level -> The browser is the underlying layer for User Agent (UA) based presentation, this might need different definition
14:36:13 <JJ> For further comments, lets reply on Miro.
14:37:12 <pauljadam> miro might actually be accessible, I've seen them present on the topic and was impressed
14:37:39 <Tanya> q+
14:39:16 <Detlev> q+
14:40:00 <shoobe01> q+
14:40:01 <JJ> ack Detlev
14:40:09 <JJ> ack Tanya
14:43:07 <RobW> Detlev for web you can use any authoring tools to create the software that is rendered by the browser. Native may be different, but maybe the distinction of platform software is unhelpful
14:43:27 <JJ> ack shoobe
14:45:06 <shoobe01> Discussion of SVG a11y in W3C Slack in last 2ish weeks. It's more fraught than it should be, may take some manual work, so keep in mind for effort when time to make production graphics.
14:45:31 <RobW> shoobe01 we should output a diagram in addition to text
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14:46:23 <JJ> Example of WCAG-EM 2.0 with graphics: https://www.w3.org/TR/wcag-em-2/
14:46:33 <JJ> Zakim, list participants
14:46:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Tanya, RobW, JatinV, Detlev, shoobe, tayef
14:46:44 <JJ> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/11-matf-minutes.html JJ
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14:48:34 <JJ> rrsagent, bye
14:48:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items