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14:57:27 <Zakim> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:57:27 <maryjom> zakim, clear agenda
14:57:28 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:57:34 <maryjom> chair:  Mary Jo Mueller
14:57:42 <maryjom> rrsagent, make minutes
14:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
14:57:52 <maryjom> Zakim, please time speakers at 2 minutes
14:57:52 <Zakim> ok, maryjom
14:57:57 <maryjom> regrets: Phil Day
14:58:03 <maryjom> agenda+ Announcements
14:58:34 <maryjom> agenda+ Level AAA Criteria in the SC Problematic for Closed Functionality
14:58:52 <maryjom> agenda+ Survey results for Level AAA SCs
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15:00:44 <bbailey> present+
15:02:16 <loicmn> present+
15:03:27 <LauraM> present+
15:03:33 <maryjom> present+
15:03:41 <LauraM> scribe+ LauraM
15:03:47 <Daniel> present+
15:04:16 <maryjom> regrets: Phil Day, Gregg Vanderheiden
15:04:38 <LauraM> zakim, next item
15:04:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Announcements -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:05:08 <LauraM> Maryjom: next week, Feb 12th, we will switch to using the google doc space that Daniel created.
15:05:25 <LauraM> Maryjom: future surveys will be there as well.
15:05:26 <maryjom> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ad-D32T0NTsc3EqbgJtPp1NBpLRmRtAi
15:05:45 <bbailey> q+
15:06:12 <LauraM> Maryjom: due to changes in work priorities at IBM for 2026, Maryjom will be stepping down from participating in this task force.
15:06:49 <LauraM> Maryjom: PhilDay will continue as the facilitator and is hoping to get a co-facilitator from this group.
15:07:14 <LauraM> Maryjom: Let Daniel and Phil know if you are interested in that position or an Editor position.
15:08:14 <LauraM> Maryjom: We have accomplished alot with this group. Updated WCAG to ICT note to include WCAG2.1 and 2.2 criteria and republication changes of WCAG.
15:08:45 <LauraM> Maryjom: I will be more active in the AGWG as that is the priority for IBM (WCAG 3)
15:09:10 <LauraM> Maryjom: WIP - there are PRs open and a few level AAA criteria that have been approved but need PRs.
15:09:23 <maryjom> q?
15:09:32 <maryjom> ack bbailey
15:09:45 <LauraM> Bbailey: Question about Google Drive, it's the same drive as before.
15:09:55 <LauraM> BBailey: Maryjom has done a great job.
15:10:46 <LauraM> Bbailey: With Maryjom departure, WCAG2ICT should have a firm fixed end date.
15:11:04 <LauraM> BBailey: Need closure on AAA that is left open
15:11:36 <Daniel> q+
15:11:45 <maryjom> ack Daniel
15:12:14 <LauraM> Daniel: To Bruce's point, we prefer to give some leeway as to whether or not we complete AAA.
15:12:58 <bbailey> Personally, I have been very surprised and pleased how much editorial feedback WCAG2ICT has given to WCAG2
15:13:02 <bbailey> q+
15:13:02 <LauraM> Maryjom: Or this WG will focus on AAA for this charter people and then will be suspended until WCAG 3 is delivered.
15:13:09 <LauraM> ack bbailey
15:13:10 <maryjom> q?
15:14:05 <LauraM> Bbailey: I have been so impressed and surprised about how much we have been able to provide this document. AG is not interested in any developments so we should finish AAA and be done with itl.
15:14:11 <LauraM> s/itl/it
15:14:35 <LauraM> zakim, next item
15:14:35 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Level AAA Criteria in the SC Problematic for Closed Functionality -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:14:51 <maryjom> Link to PR 828: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/pull/828
15:15:19 <LauraM> maryjom: SC Problematic for Closed Functionality needs to be cleaned up.  We did survey this PR (828).
15:16:52 <LauraM> Maryjom: Subsections of A.1 and A.2 help to differentiate A and AA from AAA criteria
15:17:27 <LauraM> Maryjom: Updated introductory content at A.2 Level AAA Criteria
15:17:36 <bbailey> https://deploy-preview-828--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#success-criteria-problematic-for-closed-functionality
15:17:57 <maryjom> POLL: Can we merge PR #828 with the understanding that the introductory content in the Level AAA subsection of the SC problematic for closed functionality will be surveyed for the next meeting?
15:18:01 <bbailey> Note anchor and anchors to sections underneath
15:18:03 <bbailey> +1
15:18:04 <loicmn> +1
15:18:06 <LauraM> +1
15:18:20 <maryjom> RESOLUTION: Merge PR 828 as-is, with the understanding we will survey the introductory content for next week’s meeting
15:19:07 <LauraM> maryjom: Cannot merge with a PR off of my PR (bbailey proposed changes on the introduction to WCAG2ICT).
15:19:16 <LauraM> Maryjom: Need to survey that separately.
15:19:35 <Daniel> q+ to ask about AAA not being considered mandatory
15:20:47 <LauraM> Maryjom: Created PR 832 which had BBailey's changes
15:21:15 <maryjom> ack Daniel
15:21:15 <Zakim> Daniel, you wanted to ask about AAA not being considered mandatory
15:21:47 <LauraM> Daniel: there is a place that says that AAA is not mandatory. Should say that they are not widely used or something similar.
15:22:26 <Daniel> ack me
15:23:04 <bbailey> q+
15:23:10 <LauraM> ack bbailey
15:23:11 <maryjom> ack bbailey
15:23:45 <LauraM> bbailey: Can you discuss the edits I made in PR 830?
15:25:41 <LauraM> Maryjom: I commented but maybe lost the comment when I closed that item. My comment was about what bbailey added "It is not recommended that WCAG 2 conformance be required..." - we should discuss next week
15:25:59 <LauraM> maryjom: Everything else in there was editorial and did not need to be surveyed.
15:26:53 <LauraM> Maryjom: will be present next week. That will be my last week with the groupl.
15:26:59 <LauraM> s/groupl/group
15:27:41 <maryjom> agenda?
15:27:48 <LauraM> zakim, next item
15:27:48 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Survey results for Level AAA SCs -- taken up [from maryjom]
15:28:07 <maryjom> Link to the survey results: https://www.w3.org/wbs/55145/LevelAAA-group1/results
15:28:19 <maryjom> TOPIC: 1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded) (Level AAA)
15:28:39 <maryjom> Link to question 4: https://www.w3.org/wbs/55145/LevelAAA-group1/results/#xq4
15:28:51 <maryjom> Link to issue 532: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/532
15:29:38 <maryjom> Google doc link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DZvxp9qYCv0QyEtcdiLQk6BX9aA5Rw553R6Wim8DkYs/edit?usp=sharing
15:31:12 <LauraM> q+
15:31:18 <maryjom> ack LauraM
15:31:52 <LauraM> LauraM: Table the one that Gregg had interest in.
15:32:03 <LauraM> LauraM: Discuss next week.
15:32:43 <LauraM> LauraM: 1.2.6 Sign Language (Prerecorded) AAA is the one that Gregg added Proposal 3 to.
15:32:59 <LauraM> Maryjom: Might want to change the time/day of this meeting to make sure there are fewer conflicts.
15:33:00 <maryjom> Link to question 5: https://www.w3.org/wbs/55145/LevelAAA-group1/results/#xq5
15:33:13 <maryjom> Link to issue 538: https://github.com/w3c/wcag2ict/issues/538
15:33:42 <maryjom> Google doc link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12-FpqWV4NjdCi5x9aSdhUL7Fwm6r1gUvzYdEVvS6Mak/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.7vcmhjpv080x
15:38:10 <loicmn> q+
15:39:36 <maryjom> ack loicmn
15:39:59 <bbailey> q+ put intent
15:40:05 <LauraM> Loicmn: the second version of note one is better because it provides everything that is needed (more complete) and included links.
15:40:40 <maryjom> POLL: Which proposal do you prefer? 1) Proposal 1 – original agreed text, 2) Proposal 2 – Modify Note 1 as edited by Loïc, 3) something else
15:40:42 <bbailey> +1 to referring to intent
15:42:02 <LauraM> maryjom: we will make an editorial change to move the word intent to the commonly used "Intent from understanding"
15:42:12 <loicmn> 2
15:42:15 <bbailey> 2 -- modifying Note to so to refer to intent
15:42:16 <LauraM> 2
15:42:20 <Daniel> 2
15:42:57 <maryjom> RESOLUTION: For 1.3.6, incorporate proposed text in proposal 2 as edited in the Google doc by Loïc into the editor’s draft
15:43:12 <maryjom> TOPIC: (Part 2 of 2) 1.3.6 Identify Purpose – definition of “region” (Level AAA)
15:43:29 <maryjom> Link to question 6: https://www.w3.org/wbs/55145/LevelAAA-group1/results/#xq6
15:43:37 <maryjom> Link to Google doc definition of “region”: https://docs.google.com/document/d/12-FpqWV4NjdCi5x9aSdhUL7Fwm6r1gUvzYdEVvS6Mak/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.1hxmfsxlszr0
15:43:45 <bbailey> Noting that I think “per Intent from Understanding” is a little clearer than ”per Understanding SC 1.3.6 Intent”.
15:45:46 <loicmn> q+ to say I can accept proposal 3
15:45:58 <maryjom> q?
15:47:50 <maryjom> POLL: Which proposal do you prefer? 1) Proposal 1 – add “region” to Glossary items that Apply to All Technologies section, 2) Proposal 2 – Modify the note on definition of “region” so it doesn’t talk about HTML, 3) Modify the 1.3.6 SC language to not use “region”, or 4) something else
15:48:17 <maryjom> ack put
15:48:20 <maryjom> ack intent
15:48:24 <maryjom> ack loicmn
15:48:24 <Zakim> loicmn, you wanted to say I can accept proposal 3
15:48:39 <loicmn> 3
15:48:40 <LauraM> 3
15:51:54 <LauraM> maryjom: I will make a proposal to change the WCAG language (Region).
15:52:44 <LauraM> bbailey: Can we leave an option that we realized the AAA success criteria weren't closely reviewed enough.
15:53:05 <LauraM> Maryjom: The language that makes the most sense for non technology is the word "Section"
15:53:11 <LauraM> bbailey: Agree.
15:53:39 <Daniel> q+
15:53:47 <LauraM> ack daniel
15:53:49 <maryjom> ack Daniel
15:54:25 <LauraM> daniel: some mobile platforms use the notion of containers. So we may find ourselves in another bind without a common word that applies.
15:56:38 <LauraM> rrs agent, make minutes
15:56:49 <LauraM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html LauraM
15:57:04 <LauraM> zakim, end meeting
15:57:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been bbailey, loicmn, LauraM, maryjom, Daniel
15:57:06 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:57:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
15:57:12 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, LauraM; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:57:20 <maryjom> rrsagent, bye
15:57:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items