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16:59:22 <ktk> meeting: RDF-star WG meeting
16:59:31 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/11e4d020-9c58-4fff-83c5-37c9e2502295/20260205T120000/
16:59:31 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:59:31 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:59:31 <agendabot> agenda+ Horizontal Reviews Tracking -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/254  -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/164  -> 4 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79
16:59:32 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
16:59:34 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
16:59:36 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
16:59:40 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:59:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
16:59:44 <ktk> RRSAgent, make log public
17:00:13 <tl> present+
17:00:44 <tl> scribe+
17:01:00 <lisp> present+
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17:01:48 <ktk> regrets+ fsasaki, olaf, j22
17:01:56 <ktk> present+
17:02:00 <ktk> Chair: ktk
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17:02:07 <enrico> present+
17:02:11 <AndyS> present+
17:02:45 <niklasl> present+
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17:03:17 <tl> ktk: congrats Andy to new Jena version
17:03:38 <gtw> present+
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17:03:57 <doerthe> present+
17:04:31 <tl> s/to new Jena version/to release of new Jena 6 version
17:04:34 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
17:04:34 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:04:56 <TallTed> present+
17:04:57 <ktk> q?
17:05:13 <Souri> present+
17:05:18 <ktk> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
17:05:27 <Souri> +1
17:05:28 <niklasl> +1
17:05:38 <tl> +1
17:05:38 <gtw> +1
17:05:38 <lisp> +1
17:05:39 <TallTed> +1
17:05:43 <lisp> present+
17:05:49 <AndyS> +1
17:05:56 <ktk> +1
17:06:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:06:12 <enrico> +1
17:06:12 <doerthe> +1
17:06:17 <ktk> RESOLUTION: Approve last week's minutes
17:06:20 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:06:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Horizontal Reviews Tracking -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/254  -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/164  -> 4
17:06:23 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:06:50 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:06:50 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/12-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:07:18 <tl> pchampin: feedback from internationalization on RDF concepts and base direction
17:08:07 <tl> ... made PR which wasn't considered satisfactory, joint meeting proposed, maybe not necessary, will propose further changes to PR
17:08:08 <ktk> 1?
17:08:12 <ktk> q?
17:08:48 <tl> ktk: didn't back to security group, so that's still on the cue
17:08:56 <tl> ... any other updates?
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17:09:06 <pchampin> my PR for i18n: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/265
17:09:06 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/pull/265 -> Pull Request 265 improve discussion on text direction - fix #262 (by pchampin) [needs discussion]
17:09:10 <pfps> present+
17:09:14 <tl> s/didn't back to /didn't get back to
17:09:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:09:38 <ktk> q?
17:09:53 <ktk> Zakim, next item1
17:09:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next item1', ktk
17:09:59 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:09:59 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:10:30 <tl> ktk: without Ora we probably have to skip that
17:10:40 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:10:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, ktk
17:10:43 <tl> niklas: no progress to report from my side
17:10:49 <ktk> Zakim, open item 4
17:10:49 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:12:29 <pfps> present+
17:12:41 <pchampin> present+
17:12:51 <pchampin> q+
17:12:54 <tl> ktk: update on editor notes. extracted all participants from WG meeting logs, but not complete yet
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17:13:05 <draggett> present+
17:14:01 <tl> (shows list in screen sharing)
17:14:23 <tl> tl: some people are missing although they always present+
17:14:36 <tl> ktk: ok, needs more work
17:15:27 <tl> ... about 20 people. we don't want to list people that never participated in WG meetings
17:16:26 <tl> pchampin: scribe bot sometimes lists "maybe present" for people that said soemthing but didn't "present+"
17:16:52 <ktk> q?
17:16:57 <tl> tallted: may also try "active on IRC"
17:16:58 <ktk> ack pchampin
17:17:37 <tl> s/about 20 /expect about 20
17:17:55 <tl> ktk: any news on implementation reports?
17:18:13 <tl> ... where will they be added?
17:19:03 <tl> AndyS: we haven't got to the stage where we can ask for them formally
17:19:22 <tl> ktk: right, that would be after CR is published
17:20:03 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/186 -> Issue 186 Tracking implementation reports (by afs) [ms:CR]
17:20:26 <pchampin> i/any news on /subtopic: https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/186
17:20:39 <ktk> q?
17:21:47 <tl> AndyS: no progress on semantics tests. waiting for PR on semantics to come back. previous commit had soem problems. not sure what's going on there
17:22:47 <tl> ktk: who could push this forward?
17:22:51 <enrico> I can try - I have no clue but will try
17:22:53 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-tests/pull/279 -> Pull Request 279 RDF 1.2: Restore missing semantics test files (by erdemonal)
17:23:31 <tl> ktk: if anybody else has an idea, please contribute
17:24:16 <pchampin> I will try to include the semantics test suite in the tests of my library
17:24:34 <ktk> q?
17:25:14 <tl> ktk: any further documents that we can submit?
17:25:23 <pchampin> q+
17:25:28 <enrico> I started writing the Group Mote “RDF 1.2 Triple Terms and Reification explained”. The intro is already available here for comments: https://franconi.github.io/ttr-note/
17:26:01 <enrico> s/Mote/Note/
17:26:01 <AndyS> s/Mote/Note/
17:26:14 <tl> pchampin: n-triples media type parameters, versions
17:26:28 <tl> ... apart from that we're pretty close
17:26:35 <ktk> ack pchampin
17:26:44 <tl> ktk: wil ask jerven about RDF/XML
17:27:51 <tl> enrico: took a couple of weeks to try writing an introduction to reification
17:28:24 <tl> ... will now tackle the parts connected to RDF
17:28:42 <tl> s/introduction to reification /independent of RDF
17:29:00 <ktk> q?
17:29:15 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:29:15 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:29:19 <tl> s/independent of RDF/introduction to reification independent of RDF
17:29:28 <ktk> Zakim, open item 5
17:29:28 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:29:41 <tl> ktk: maybe anything we can close?
17:29:58 <AndyS> q+
17:30:04 <enrico> Link to the Linkedin discussion: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/martynasjusevicius_rdf-star-feels-like-a-red-herring-it-feels-activity-7419342188393730048-ae-A?rcm=ACoAAAApL1sBd715Qu0amToMfeKW41K2Ge5abBM
17:30:18 <ktk> ack AndyS
17:30:22 <tl> ... dominique proposed closing this a week ago, we'll wait another week
17:30:26 <niklasl> q+
17:31:14 <tl> AndyS: about HTML PRs, there are problems but not my area of expertise
17:31:31 <ktk> ack niklasl
17:32:07 <tl> niklasl: in RDF Concepts we "hot-link" RDF commons to avoid [some linking]
17:32:56 <tl> ... there are issues with dark mode in ReSpec which haven't been addressed in ReSpec.
17:33:30 <tl> ... fixes are available, and could be integrated with "hot linking" fixes into all our repositories
17:33:47 <tl> ... and feedback on if should we do that?
17:34:03 <tl> ... if not i interpret that as approval
17:34:36 <tl> ... would just add absolute links to RDF commons
17:35:00 <pchampin> q+
17:35:07 <tl> ... intricate stuff that I don't want to get into in detail here
17:36:04 <tl> ... documents are still free to offer dark mode or not, but would prevent documents switching to dark mode athough not selected by the reader
17:36:43 <tl> pchampin: this is an editorial change that we can make post-PR
17:38:31 <tl> ... plus 1 to move eerything to hard links, but let's not make this a blocker
17:38:43 <tl> niklasl: but make it soon
17:39:00 <tl> s/eerything/everything
17:39:39 <ktk> ack pchampin
17:39:40 <tl> ... have to think about what happens when ReSpec tackles the issue
17:40:02 <tl> ktk: which documents have dark mode?
17:40:07 <tl> niklasl: concepts
17:40:24 <tl> ... activated button down on the left corner
17:40:30 <tl> ktk: not bad
17:40:34 <ktk> q?
17:40:37 <pchampin> q+
17:40:46 <ktk> ack pchampin
17:41:31 <tl> pchampin: seems like RDF 1.2 semantics test suite doesn't import tests from RDF 1.1.
17:42:06 <tl> ... just looking at the manifest (unlike Turtle, etc Semantics doesn't include older tests)
17:42:18 <tl> ... we should double check
17:42:48 <tl> ktk: editors please check
17:42:56 <tl> enrico: will do
17:43:30 <pchampin> looking at it very quickly, it seems that the rdf12/rdf-semantics manifest contains mostly tests about triple terms, so it probably *should* import the old manifest
17:43:44 <pchampin> and the json datatype
17:43:57 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:43:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:44:15 <ktk> regrets+ ora
17:45:48 <ktk> s/on the cue/on the queue/
17:45:49 <ktk> s/tosecurity/to security/
17:45:49 <ktk> s/soemthing/something/
17:45:49 <ktk> s/soem/some/
17:45:59 <ktk> s/wil ask/will ask/
17:45:59 <ktk> s/20people/20 people/
17:46:07 <ktk> s/Mote/Note/
17:46:14 <ktk> s/althought/although/
17:46:15 <ktk> s/athough/although/
17:46:34 <ktk> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:46:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html ktk
17:50:26 <ktk> RRSAgent, end meeting
17:50:26 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', ktk.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:54:35 <ktk> RRSAgent, leave
17:54:35 <RRSAgent> I see no action items