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15:52:28 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
15:52:48 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model Task Force
15:52:59 <Fazio> chair: David Fazio
15:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ Github Issue #348 Oversight missing
15:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ #226 Add an explanatory section on dimension goals and metrics
15:53:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ #303 Governance and Strategy Gap
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16:03:43 <Fazio> subtopic: New Business
16:03:47 <Sheri_B-H> zakim, next item
16:03:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Github Issue #348 Oversight missing -- taken up [from Fazio]
16:03:57 <janina> https://events.humanitix.com/perth-digital-accessibility-conference-2026
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16:07:20 <Sheri_B-H> Google AI summary
16:07:21 <Sheri_B-H> Discussion & Resolution: The issue has been a topic in task force meetings, and it was decided that several related tickets concerning governance and strategy gaps (issues 226, 303, and 348) would be merged, with issue 348 as the surviving ticket. A draft for updated language to address these concerns is being prepared.
16:08:27 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller: we agreed to change it in June, we formally did it in October (341, 348)
16:09:15 <Sheri_B-H> The agreement in June was to rename it to Governance
16:10:32 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller: looks like we agreed to do it, but didn't take the action to update the content
16:11:08 <Sheri_B-H> from our LLM: The discussion regarding changing the "Culture" dimension to "Governance" occurred over several stages throughout 2025, evolving from an initial renaming to "Oversight and Culture" before landing on "Governance."
16:11:08 <Sheri_B-H> Initial Shift to "Oversight and Culture" (June 2025)
16:11:08 <Sheri_B-H> The first major discussion about moving away from "Culture" as a standalone term took place on June 4, 2025. During this meeting, Sheri suggested that "Culture" was being used as a catch-all and proposed the broader term "Oversight". Fazio agreed to review the existing proof points to see if they fit under an "Oversight" heading. By the meeting on
16:11:08 <Sheri_B-H> June 11, 2025, the task force officially resolved to change the dimension name to "Oversight and Culture" (tracked as GitHub Issue #263). This change was driven by the need to include proof points for financial allocations and risk assessment processes, which the group felt were better suited for an oversight-focused dimension than a
16:11:10 <Sheri_B-H> culture-focused one.
16:11:10 <Sheri_B-H> Formal Renaming to "Governance" (October 2025)
16:11:10 <Sheri_B-H> The transition to the specific term "Governance" was solidified during the October 8, 2025, meeting. This discussion was prompted by new GitHub issues (#341 and #348) regarding missing governance and policy dimensions.
16:11:11 <Sheri_B-H> Key developments during this meeting included:
16:11:11 <Sheri_B-H> • Renaming Proposal: Sheri_BH argued that the dimension name should simply be "Governance," noting that "governance inherently requires oversight".
16:11:11 <Sheri_B-H> • Consolidation: Janina suggested combining existing issues from Jason and Kevin to address this gap.
16:11:12 <Sheri_B-H> • Final Decision: Jeff Kline confirmed the task force's direction in that meeting, stating, "We are going to rename Culture to 'Governance'".
16:11:12 <Sheri_B-H> Context from Previous Conversations
16:11:16 <Sheri_B-H> As noted in our conversation history, while the task force initially deferred creating a completely new "Governance" dimension until after the 1.0 release, they chose instead to substitute and rename the existing "Culture" dimension to ensure that critical elements like executive approval and financial commitment were captured in the current
16:11:16 <Sheri_B-H> publication. By October 15, 2025, the group was focused on ensuring the assessment spreadsheet aligned with these structural changes.
16:12:49 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: need to review and add, update or delete each paragraph
16:13:17 <Sheri_B-H> janina: I like governance, this is a formal spec and we want to be more than a note some day
16:13:52 <Sheri_B-H> janina: it's how you run your show
16:14:53 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Doesn't see deleting anything, but deleting and replacing since this is more culture heavy
16:16:47 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: We don't want to get rid of culture, but expand to include governance. We could say governance includes oversight and culture.
16:17:24 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Doesn't think culture should be driving force, but it should be included.
16:18:22 <Sheri_B-H> janina: what is not jumping out clearly is what we are talking about is how you manage the work over all the various aspects of accessibility
16:18:47 <JeffAdams-UN> janina: Doesn't find components in this a problem. But what we don't have started is that what we're talking about is how you manage your work in accessibility and it's aspects forever. That's what the overisght is about. That doesn't jump our in current wording.
16:19:35 <jkline> queue+
16:20:06 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Title: Oversight. In introduction say oversight includes governance, strategy, and culture
16:20:53 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: not for Sheri's idea
16:21:12 <Crispy> For Sheri’s idea
16:21:20 <Fazio> q?
16:21:22 <JeffAdams-UN> For Sheri's idea
16:22:22 <Fazio> ack jkline
16:23:22 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: we need to add proof points around develop, add, and maintain an overarching policy
16:23:35 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: agreed, we just never got that far
16:24:49 <CharlesL> q+
16:25:35 <Neha> +1
16:25:36 <janina> +1
16:25:37 <JeffAdams-UN> @fazio: Resolution to rename overisght and culture oversight
16:25:37 <gb> https://github.com/fazio -> @fazio
16:25:38 <Crispy> +1
16:25:40 <Fazio> +1
16:25:44 <Mark_Miller> +1
16:25:52 <JeffAdams-UN> +1
16:25:54 <Fazio> q?
16:25:55 <janina> q?
16:26:06 <JeffAdams-UN> ack charlesL
16:26:08 <janina> ack ch
16:26:11 <Fazio> ack CharlesL
16:26:12 <jkline> queue+
16:26:45 <JeffAdams-UN> CharlesL: Did we want to use "Oversight and Governance"?
16:27:35 <JeffAdams-UN> CharlesL: Governance has meeting, but some people may not get "Oversight" and what we're talking about.
16:27:45 <Sheri_B-H> Organizational oversight defines how disability inclusion is directed and sustained through governance, strategy, and culture.
16:27:45 <Sheri_B-H> Governance sets accountability by establishing policies, standards, and decision making structures that require ICT accessibility across the organization. Strategy integrates accessibility into planning, resourcing, and priorities so it is treated as a core business requirement. Culture reinforces these expectations by ensuring people at every
16:27:45 <Sheri_B-H> level understand their role in achieving accessibility goals and recognize the impact of accessible technology on access to employment, services, and participation for people with disabilities.
16:27:48 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: That's where the intro will help
16:27:58 <Sheri_B-H> (proposed intro)
16:28:39 <CharlesL> q?
16:28:47 <JeffAdams-UN> ack jkline
16:29:14 <JeffAdams-UN> jkline: Maybe "Policy and Oversight" or "Policy and Governance"
16:29:39 <JeffAdams-UN> Sheri_B-H: Policy doesn't relate to culture.
16:29:45 <Mark_Miller> q+
16:29:54 <Sheri_B-H> ack mark
16:30:21 <JeffAdams-UN> q+
16:30:40 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller: could we account for the culture piece somewhere else, like communications
16:31:02 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: the order of dimensions is alphabetical
16:31:50 <Sheri_B-H> jkline: we need the word culture, but maybe we need to look at it at a different way
16:32:38 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: the people who raised the issues wanted proof points around setting metrics and goals
16:33:03 <Sheri_B-H> Mark_Miller: is using "culture" muddying the waters?
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16:33:14 <Sheri_B-H> Fazio: You need to have a culture of oversight
16:33:48 <Sheri_B-H> janina: you need accountability and funding
16:34:09 <Sheri_B-H> janina: that's why we should leave it here, tying it to the c-suite
16:35:05 <Sheri_B-H> Governance and oversight define how disability inclusion is directed, monitored, and sustained across the organization.
16:35:05 <Sheri_B-H> Governance establishes clear accountability through policies, standards, and decision making structures that require ICT accessibility. Oversight ensures accessibility is integrated into planning, resourcing, and risk management, and that progress is reviewed and acted on. Together, they shape organizational culture by clarifying expectations so
16:35:05 <Sheri_B-H> people at every level understand their role in meeting accessibility goals and recognize the impact of accessible technology on access to employment, services, and participation for people with disabilities.
16:37:12 <Sheri_B-H> Governance and oversight define how accessibility is directed, monitored, sustained, and measured across the organization.  These actions define the organization's commitment to accessibility.
16:38:40 <Sheri_B-H> Governance and oversight define the organization's commitment to accessibility.  This includes directing, monitoring, sustaining, and measuring accessibility across the organization.
16:40:48 <Sheri_B-H> new second paragraph proposal: Governance operationalizes the organization’s commitment to accessibility by setting clear accountability through policies, standards, and decision making structures that require ICT accessibility. Oversight ensures accessibility is directed, monitored, sustained, and measured by integrating it into planning,
16:40:48 <Sheri_B-H> resourcing, and risk management, with regular review of progress and outcomes. Together, governance and oversight shape organizational culture by setting consistent expectations so people at every level understand their responsibilities and the impact of accessible technology on employment, services, and participation for people with disabilities.
16:42:07 <Fazio> q?
16:42:33 <Fazio> ack JeffAdams-UN
16:44:33 <Sheri_B-H> Governance establishes clear accountability through policies, standards, and decision-making structures that intersect with ICT accessibility. Oversight ensures accessibility is integrated into planning, resourcing, and risk management, and that progress is reviewed and acted on. Together, they shape organizational culture by setting consistent
16:44:33 <Sheri_B-H> expectations.  This ensures people at every level understand their role in meeting accessibility goals and recognize the impact of accessible technology on employment, services, and participation for people with disabilities.
16:46:14 <jkline> queue+
16:47:24 <Sheri_B-H> Governance and oversight define the organization's commitment to accessibility.  This includes directing, monitoring, sustaining, and measuring accessibility across the organization. \
16:47:24 <Sheri_B-H> Governance establishes clear accountability through policies, standards, and decision-making structures that intersect with ICT accessibility. Oversight ensures accessibility is integrated into planning, resourcing, and risk management, and that progress is reviewed and acted on. Together, they shape organizational culture by setting consistent
16:47:24 <Sheri_B-H> expectations.  This ensures people at every level understand their role in meeting accessibility goals and recognize the impact of accessible technology on employment, services, and participation for people with disabilities.
16:47:30 <Fazio> ack jkline
16:49:12 <Fazio> q?
16:50:31 <CharlesL> q+
16:51:23 <JeffAdams-UN> ack CharlesL
16:54:04 <jkline> Governance establishes clear accountability through policies, standards, and decision-making structures that enable the organization's ICT accessibility initiatives?.
16:54:05 <JeffAdams-UN> Fazio: Leaving comment in GitHub with the text that Sheri pasted in
16:54:35 <CharlesL> Tracked in https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/348
16:54:35 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/348 -> Issue 348 Oversight missing (by iadawn)
16:55:32 <JeffAdams-UN> zakim, end metting
16:55:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'end metting', JeffAdams-UN
16:55:39 <JeffAdams-UN> zakim, end meeting
16:55:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, janina, JeffAdams-UN, CharlesL, Sheri_B-H, jkline, Neha, Crispy
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16:55:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/04-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
16:55:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, JeffAdams-UN; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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