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11:59:59 <TallTed> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/blob/agenda/admin/plenary-2026-02-02.md
12:00:01 <agendabot> clear agenda
12:00:01 <agendabot> agenda+ Phase 1 deliverables
12:00:01 <TallTed> meeting: Data Shapes Working Group teleconference
12:00:01 <agendabot> agenda+ Phase 2 deliverables
12:00:01 <agendabot> agenda+ Review old PRs
12:00:01 <agendabot> agenda+ [PRs: open, created 2025](https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen++created%3A%3C2026-01-01)
12:00:03 <TallTed> present+
12:00:04 <agendabot> agenda+ Task Force reports
12:00:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Specific Open Issues worth discussing
12:00:09 <agendabot> agenda+ [Common text for doc abstracts](https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/747)
12:00:12 <agendabot> agenda+ General Business
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12:02:49 <TallTed> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/01/26-data-shapes-minutes.html
12:02:49 <TallTed> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/09-data-shapes-minutes.html
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12:04:37 <edmond> invite zakim
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12:04:50 <TallTed> scribe: edmond
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12:05:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
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12:06:40 <edmond> AndyS: The timeline for rules is tight. We have a general sense of where we want to get to, but long way off to a complete document
12:06:57 <Robert> q+
12:07:29 <edmond> nicholascar: Compact syntax - Jesse is keen to make time to work on CS, but it may need to drop back to a note
12:07:37 <nicholascar> ack Robert
12:07:51 <TallTed> chair: nicholascar
12:08:23 <edmond> Robert: With CS - with Vlad, he's very busy with projects and may not find the time. No one else is available from Graphwise to volunteer
12:08:27 <Robert> q-
12:08:31 <nicholascar> q?
12:08:41 <edmond> Topic: Review of PRs
12:08:42 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen++created%3A%3C2026-01-01
12:10:00 <edmond> AndyS: There appears to be many open PRs. The preference would be to close them if they're not going anywhere. It's easier to manage, and they could always be re-opened.
12:10:34 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:10:36 <ajnelson-nist> https://github.com/usnistgov/w3c-data-shapes-shacl-resources-monitor
12:10:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:11:42 <ajnelson-nist> ack me
12:12:31 <edmond> Topic: TF Reports
12:13:41 <edmond> HolgerK: Not many updates in the last 2 weeks for core, but in a sense, those docs are almost feature complete. There may be some movement on the new shui:intent property in the next week or so
12:14:28 <edmond> nicholascar: Profiling meeting is back on this Thursday. Meet with the task force and discuss scoping and timing.
12:15:06 <edmond> ... There's also a recent PR that will be discussed in this Thursday's meeting. It's about what profiling provides to SHACL
12:15:44 <edmond> ajnelson-nist: I plan to put my comments in on what I see profiling is in SHACL
12:15:50 <TallTed> present+ labra
12:15:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:17:12 <edmond> edmond: widget scoring section still in progress. Start adding testing for various UI parts, GH Actions?
12:17:16 <TallTed> present+ simonstey
12:20:48 <edmond> AndyS: triaging issues and PRs for rules. Could the editors approve PRs that are ready?
12:20:48 <edmond> ... We had a meeting last week with the co-chairs of the N3 WG. We have common problems and solutions regarding rules. Discussed guardrails for long-running rules data generation. Users may need to tolerate limitations in rules such as no blank nodes in rule bodies.
12:21:15 <nicholascar> q?
12:21:35 <edmond> Topic: Specific issues worth discussing
12:23:07 <edmond> AndyS: Should we align the terminology used in abstracts across documents? For example, remove the framing of SHACL as only for validation.
12:23:12 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/issues/747
12:24:24 <edmond> nicholascar: Should namespace and suggested prefix go in the abstract?
12:24:32 <edmond> ... PROV and DCAT do this
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12:24:34 <nicholascar> q?
12:24:44 <edmond> AndyS: SHACL Core, it's in a separate section and not in the abstract
12:24:48 <HolgerK> q+
12:24:48 <TallTed> q+
12:25:04 <nicholascar> ack HolgerK
12:25:05 <edmond> ... We don't need commonality, but at least an aligned definition of what is SHACL in each document would be nice
12:25:15 <caribou> anything normative should NOT be in the abstract
12:25:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:25:38 <caribou> (definition of a namespace for example)
12:26:07 <TallTed> present+ bergos
12:26:14 <simonstey> q+
12:26:15 <edmond> HolgerK: A generic definition of what SHACL is, and then a description of what the document is about would be good.
12:27:03 <HolgerK> q-
12:27:05 <nicholascar> ack TallTed
12:27:12 <AndyS> q+
12:27:27 <nicholascar> ack simonstey
12:28:25 <edmond> TallTed: It seems odd that some other documents have namespaces and prefixes in the abstract
12:28:25 <edmond> simonstey: I am unclear on what it means by "generating data for other agents". Just a nitpick
12:28:31 <nicholascar> q?
12:28:35 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:28:53 <edmond> AndyS: I'd like to highlight caribou's point that the abstract should not contain normative content
12:29:36 <edmond> caribou: If it's defined elsewhere in the doc and also mentioned in the abstract, then it's fine
12:30:03 <nicholascar> q?
12:30:14 <edmond> nicholascar: As part of the Profiles meeting, we will work to emulate the structure for the profiles abstract
12:31:24 <edmond> Topic: General Business
12:31:44 <edmond> edmond: Are there any restrictions on what kind of GitHub Actions are allowed for the repository?
12:32:54 <ajnelson-nist> q+
12:33:10 <edmond> caribou: For validation, it should be fine. No hard rules.
12:33:18 <nicholascar> ack ajnelson-nist
12:33:58 <ajnelson-nist> ack me
12:34:14 <edmond> ajnelson-nist: A downstream repo (for e.g., a submodule) may work as well. I've previously done this
12:34:27 <AndyS> q+
12:34:35 <nicholascar> ack AndyS
12:35:18 <edmond> AndyS: Should I create a subdirectory for last year's agendas and a separate one for this agenda? It's difficult to find them now that we have a long list of files.
12:35:45 <edmond> nicholascar: Yes, I will split them into a 2025 and a 2026 folder
12:38:22 <edmond> rssagent, make minutes
12:38:31 <edmond> rssagent, make log world
12:38:37 <edmond> zakim, end meeting
12:38:37 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, nicholascar, caribou, DavidHabgood, mgberg, ajnelson-nist, elianaP, SimonW, HolgerK, Robert, edmond, AndyS, YoucTagh, labra,
12:38:39 <TallTed> s/for e.g., a/e.g., a
12:38:41 <Zakim> ... simonstey, bergos
12:38:41 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:38:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html Zakim
12:38:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, edmond; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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12:38:52 <edmond> rssagent, bye
12:41:18 <TallTed> s/rssagent, make minutes//
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12:41:18 <TallTed> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:41:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/02/02-data-shapes-minutes.html TallTed
12:41:43 <TallTed> s/rssagent, bye//
12:42:02 <TallTed> RRSAgent, bye
12:42:02 <RRSAgent> I see no action items