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17:01:18 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
17:01:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), AndyS
17:01:19 <olaf> present+
17:01:22 <AndyS> meeting: RDF & SPARQL WG meeting
17:01:31 <ora> present+
17:01:34 <AndyS> rrsagent, make logs public
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17:01:35 <ora> chair+
17:01:40 <AndyS> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:01:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:01:49 <AndyS> present+
17:01:50 <ktk> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/e5234c80-4c06-4c6b-af43-c78a1dbd390a/20260129T120000/
17:01:50 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:01:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/01/15-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:01:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Updates from the SPARQL TF
17:01:50 <agendabot> agenda+ Horizontal Reviews Tracking -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/254  -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/164  -> 4 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79
17:01:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:01:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8
17:01:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
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17:03:17 <AndyS> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/01/15-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:03:19 <ktk> regrets+ pchampin
17:03:31 <AZ> scribe+
17:03:38 <TallTed> present+
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17:03:40 <AndyS> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2026/02/05-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:03:43 <Souri> present+
17:03:43 <ktk> Zakim, open item 1
17:03:43 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Approval of last week’s minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2026/01/15-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:44 <AndyS> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:03:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html AndyS
17:03:52 <tl2> present+
17:03:52 <pfps> minutes look acceptable
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17:04:40 <AZ> AndyS: the link to "next week's meeting" is broken because we did not have a meeting last week
17:04:57 <AZ> ktk: we will fix this
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17:05:08 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 2 weeks ago
17:05:11 <ora> +1
17:05:12 <niklasl> +1
17:05:13 <enrico> +1
17:05:18 <ktk> +1
17:05:18 <TallTed> +1
17:05:20 <Souri> +1
17:05:21 <gtw> +1
17:05:21 <AZ> +0 (I was not present)
17:05:22 <AndyS> +1
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17:05:44 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from 2 weeks ago
17:05:49 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Updates from the SPARQL TF -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:06:10 <AZ> AndyS: we have PRs in progress
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17:06:36 <AZ> ... we had a discussion on service description
17:07:10 <AZ> ora: is it related to the separate SPARQL spec?
17:07:16 <AZ> AndyS: yes
17:07:48 <AZ> ora: is it the spec that nobody implements?
17:08:00 <pfps> q+
17:08:06 <ora> ack pfps
17:08:06 <AZ> ktk: I've seen it on most  endpoint, not necessarily of the best quality
17:08:27 <AZ> pfps: implementations depend on it
17:08:41 <AZ> ... and some implement extensions of it
17:09:11 <ktk> q+
17:09:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:09:26 <ora> ack ktk
17:09:33 <AZ> ktk: it may be a good time to talk about the security meeting
17:10:08 <AZ> ora: security people wanted to point out threats
17:10:24 <AZ> ... we may want to talk about them but not necessarily propose solutions
17:10:55 <AZ> ktk: for SPARQL they were thinking of injections and things from SQL
17:11:08 <TallTed> q+
17:11:15 <AndyS> q+
17:11:15 <AZ> ... we said that this is very hard to fix because of open world and other things
17:11:27 <ora> ack TallTed
17:11:34 <AZ> ... we have to go back to the drawing board and see
17:11:51 <AZ> TallTed: can we inherit by reference the security review for HTTP
17:12:06 <AZ> ... not sure the security group have figured this out yet
17:12:31 <AZ> ... it wouldn't be fair that we deal with all these problems
17:13:02 <AZ> ora: we wil talk again to the security group and mention this
17:13:25 <AZ> pfps: the IETF spec has 4 pages of security considerations
17:13:27 <ora> ack AndyS
17:13:34 <AZ> ktk: please post a link to this
17:13:43 <pfps> HTTP spec (maybe not the most recent) is https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7231
17:13:57 <AZ> AndyS: I agree we can only highlight problems but not suggest solutions
17:13:57 <pfps> See https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7231#section-9 for the security issues
17:14:20 <AZ> ... any solutions is more likely to rot than the attacks
17:14:53 <AZ> ... we are less worried of ingestion that SQL
17:15:30 <AZ> TallTed: it would be good to have the date of the meeting added to the calendar
17:15:39 <ktk> q?
17:15:42 <AZ> ktk: we don't have the date yet but yes
17:15:49 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:15:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Horizontal Reviews Tracking -> 2 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-concepts/issues/254  -> 3 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/164  -> 4
17:15:52 <Zakim> ... https://github.com/w3c/rdf-n-triples/issues/79 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:16:16 <AZ> ktk: it was interesting to talk to people who have no knowledge of RDF
17:17:24 <AZ> ... there is a misunderstanding that some things we define are abstract concepts and that cannot cause attacks or security issues
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17:18:29 <pfps> q+
17:18:40 <AZ> ktk: we have to work on the security part, the rest is going rather smoothly
17:18:58 <ora> ack pfps
17:19:03 <AZ> pfps: there was an issue relative to privacy on semantics
17:19:33 <AZ> ... or maybe that was accessibility rather than pricacy
17:19:46 <AZ> ... the complaint was about using tables
17:19:59 <pfps> Table issue is in https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/139
17:20:01 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/139 -> CLOSED Issue 139 rdf12-semantics 2025-11-25 > 2025-12-23 (by ktk) [LC] [REVIEW REQUESTED] [pending] [s:rdf12-semantics]
17:20:35 <AZ> ... afaics, tables don't have a semantic meaning in HTML
17:21:11 <niklasl> q+
17:21:17 <ora> ack niklasl
17:21:32 <AZ> niklasl: I could have a go at that
17:21:56 <AZ> pfps: if this is strictly editorial, we can address it later
17:22:10 <ktk> q?
17:22:13 <AZ> niklasl: there may be HTML5 elements that are better suited
17:22:22 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/174
17:22:23 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/issues/174 -> Issue 174 check text inside tables (by pfps) [spec:editorial]
17:23:07 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:23:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 5 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:25:47 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:25:47 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Identifying issues to solve before CR -> 6 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/8 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:26:07 <AndyS> q+
17:26:15 <enrico> q+
17:26:37 <ora> ack AndyS
17:26:40 <AZ> AndyS: I raised 3 issues on RDF semantics re. tests
17:27:10 <AZ> ... we need to have a clean set of tests to go to CR
17:27:53 <AZ> AndyS: if there is a missing file in the MANIFEST the test crashes
17:28:07 <ora> ack enrico
17:28:16 <enrico> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/178
17:28:17 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/178 -> Pull Request 178 Update RDF dataset merge definition (by franconi) [ms:CR]
17:28:23 <enrico> https://rawcdn.githack.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/1a96b5becc00eedf4c1b494349f91f0230e9a5de/spec/index.html#rdf_datasets
17:28:26 <AZ> enrico: there is a PR that is ready to be closed re. the definition of Dataset merge
17:28:49 <AZ> ... It took all the comments that wame in
17:28:53 <AZ> s/wame/came
17:30:02 <AZ> ora: do we need more reviews
17:30:17 <AZ> enrico: there was already a lot of discussions on it
17:30:37 <AZ> s/more reviews/more reviews?/
17:30:48 <AZ> ora: so it's ready to be merged
17:31:08 <AZ> enrico: will do right now
17:33:13 <TallTed> changes to 2 lines of that PR ... That's what we get for rushing the merge.
17:33:29 <AndyS> q+
17:33:39 <ora> ack AndyS
17:33:40 <AZ> ktk: regardiong issue 248, we have regular people in the group that should be acknowledged
17:33:42 <TallTed> (note that the indents of those lines should also be normalized)
17:33:57 <AZ> ... and some people are technically in the group but never join
17:34:07 <AZ> ... should we acknowledge everyone?
17:34:43 <AZ> ora: we should scrutinise this a bit
17:34:56 <AZ> AndyS: Pierre-Antoine can help us on this
17:35:12 <ktk> Zakim, next item
17:35:12 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:35:25 <TallTed> s|2 lines of that PR|2 lines of https://github.com/w3c/rdf-semantics/pull/178|
17:35:44 <ktk> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/11
17:35:58 <enrico> TallTed: I will try to add your fix to the merged PR #178
17:35:59 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/178 -> Issue 178 Create bibliography for students/engineers/scientists (by sulivanShu) [documentation]
17:36:18 <TallTed> s/TallTed: I/TallTed -- I
17:37:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
17:37:21 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/pull/64
17:37:21 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/pull/64 -> MERGED Pull Request 64 Add canonical Turtle for RDF-recognized XSD datatypes (`ns/rdf-xsd.ttl`) (by domel)
17:38:36 <AndyS> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/blob/main/ns/rdf-xsd.ttl
17:39:20 <AZ> AndyS: there is this file [see above] related to this PR
17:39:48 <AZ> ... we can close it
17:40:30 <ktk> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/issues/67
17:40:31 <gb> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-schema/issues/67 -> Issue 67 Add xsd:numeric to rdf-xsd.ttl (by ektrah) [propose closing]
17:40:41 <AZ> ... issue 67 needs to be closed (PR 64 is already merged)
17:41:24 <AZ> TallTed: we have to check with ektrah
17:41:40 <ora> q?
17:41:40 <AZ> ktk: I closed it
17:42:19 <AZ> ora: we can adjourn
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