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13:05:51 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group
13:06:10 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Details 2026-01-29: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2026Jan/0038.html
13:06:11 <ivan> Chair: wendy
13:06:11 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco
13:06:11 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pm-wg/2026Jan/0038.html
13:16:15 <ivan> regrets+ avneeshsingh
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14:02:18 <wendyreid> scribe+ Dale
14:02:41 <wendyreid> Topic: Selectors in Annotations - https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2892
14:02:57 <ivan> present+ laurent
14:05:59 <Dale> Laurnet: Providing overview of selectors
14:06:47 <ivan> s/Laurnet/Laurent/
14:08:52 <duga> q+
14:13:00 <Dale> ... page being explained is https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/
14:13:27 <wendyreid> ack duga
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14:15:17 <Dale> duga: model syntax is referring to a spine item not a manifest item. A manifest item is not necessarily in the spine.
14:16:52 <Dale> ... referring to an item in the Spine is easier than referring to an item in the manifest.
14:17:03 <wendyreid> q?
14:17:47 <ivan> q+
14:18:02 <Dale> Laurent: Showing examples of selectors.
14:18:45 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:19:50 <Dale> ivan: The text selector was designed for a URL not HTML
14:22:17 <Dale> ... before this will go to the recommendation it will be looked at by other groups.
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14:22:57 <wendyreid> ack ivan
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14:23:40 <sueneu> q-
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14:24:26 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:24:37 <Dale> ... I would prefer to use the work done by the web development group, rather than define the definition of the selector in the Working Group
14:25:24 <ivan> q+
14:25:31 <Dale> duga: What is our fallback position if we propose solution that has not been defined by another group?
14:26:07 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:26:08 <sueneu> q+
14:26:17 <Dale> Laurent: There is a different fallback solution.
14:26:57 <Hadrien> q+
14:27:14 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
14:28:08 <Dale> ivan: The Text Fragment selector is the preferred solution. but if it is not specified, then there is another solution already proposed.
14:29:15 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:29:35 <Dale> Laurent: The Spatial selector will solve problems.
14:29:42 <ivan> present+ Hadrien
14:30:27 <duga> q+
14:31:03 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:31:48 <Dale> Hadrien: I would rather reference solutions from other groups, than have to define something so technical in this group.
14:32:17 <sueneu> +1 Hadrien
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14:33:29 <Dale> ivan: We will be in contact with that group before this proposal goes for recommendation. So we will be able to adjust the proposal before hand.
14:33:35 <sueneu> q-
14:33:47 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:34:16 <Dale> Laurent: The CSS selector is an alternate solution to the Text Fragment selector
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14:36:09 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
14:37:28 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:37:42 <Dale> sueneu: Do I need to identify an element in HTML in order to find it a CSS selector?
14:38:49 <Dale> Laurent: No, CSS selectors will find content even if it is not specifically identified with an attribute.
14:39:32 <wendyreid> ack wendyreid
14:39:48 <Dale> Hadrien: Do we want this to be general enough that it will work in different applications than EPUB? What is the scope?
14:40:35 <Hadrien> q+
14:40:56 <Dale> wendyreid: EPUBs are rendered on different types of devices. Our solutions need to be aware of the limitation is processing capability of older reading systems.
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14:42:29 <wendyreid> ack Hadrien
14:42:34 <Dale> ... it depends on the inner structure on how data is loaded in an older reading system. The backwards compatibility is an issue.
14:42:37 <ivan> q+
14:43:42 <Dale> Hadrien: Reading systems will optimize their approach.
14:43:59 <wendyreid> ack duga
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14:45:00 <wendyreid> ack ivan
14:45:03 <Dale> duga: Do we focus on resiliency over performance? +1 for CSS.
14:46:00 <duga> q+
14:46:42 <Dale> ivan: We have run into this technical hurdle before. CFI?
14:46:56 <sueneu> q+
14:47:01 <wendyreid> ack wendyreid
14:47:28 <Dale> ... let's use the technology CSS provides rather than trying to define something ourselves.
14:48:18 <ivan> +1 wendy
14:48:41 <Dale> wendyreid: Having run into problems with bookmarks in the past, we need a robust solution.
14:48:42 <wendyreid> ack duga
14:50:21 <LaurentLM> q+
14:50:57 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
14:51:14 <Dale> duga: We need to keep the number of selectors small: Text, spatial, audio. We need a solution that will be actually implemented. Don't provide too many options for solving the same problem.
14:52:02 <wendyreid> ack LaurentLM
14:52:13 <Dale> sueneu: Would the solutions work will older EPUBS?
14:52:28 <Dale> Hadrien: It depends.
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14:54:26 <sueneu> s/will older/with older
14:57:22 <wendyreid> Topic: JXL in EPUB
14:57:53 <Dale> ivan: Based on today's discussion. Laurent will come up with different wording.
14:57:56 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/epub-specs/pull/2899
14:59:44 <duga> q+
15:00:32 <wendyreid> ack duga
15:00:38 <sueneu> q+
15:01:37 <Dale> duga: We need to fix the table that references media types regarding FXL
15:01:38 <wendyreid> ack sueneu
15:02:15 <Dale> sueneu:  I recommend we merge the PR and make a note to fix the table.
15:02:19 <wendyreid> Proposed: Merge PR 2899, adding JXL support and information on EPUB version for core media types.
15:02:37 <ivan> +1
15:02:37 <wendyreid> +1
15:02:37 <shiestyle> +1
15:02:37 <Dale> +1
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15:02:38 <gman> +1
15:02:42 <Hadrien> +1
15:02:45 <MasakazuKitahara> +1
15:02:48 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: Merge PR 2899, adding JXL support and information on EPUB version for core media types.
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15:03:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/29-pmwg-minutes.html ivan
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17:17:33 <Hadrien> https://playground.readium.org
17:19:37 <Hadrien> Example of a manifest generated on the fly from an EPUB: https://publication-server.readium.org/webpub/Z3M6Ly9yZWFkaXVtLXBsYXlncm91bmQtZmlsZXMvZGVtby9tb2J5LWRpY2suZXB1Yg/manifest.json
17:21:09 <Hadrien> q+
17:22:28 <Hadrien> Example of a native manifest (not generated from EPUB on the fly): https://readium.org/css/docs/manifest.json
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