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13:44:22 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
13:44:40 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:44:40 <janina> agenda+ [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues)
13:44:40 <janina> agenda+ [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues)
13:44:40 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul)
13:44:40 <janina> agenda+ Other business
13:44:43 <janina> agenda+ Be done
13:45:03 <janina>  Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:45:11 <janina> Date: 28 Jan 2026
13:45:16 <janina> Chair: Matthew
13:45:20 <janina> agenda?
13:56:09 <janina> regrets: Gottfried_Zimmerman, Alisa_Smith
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15:02:32 <matatk> agenda?
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15:05:12 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:06:52 <Neha> scribe+
15:06:59 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:06:59 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
15:07:03 <Neha> agenda?
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15:08:11 <Neha> matatk: Registration for AC is on
15:08:27 <JonCohn> present+
15:09:10 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/news-events/w3c-ac/ac-2026/
15:09:26 <Neha> Meeting of AC board meeting 2026 in China, link is shared above
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15:09:56 <Roy_Ruoxi> https://www.w3.org/news/2026/agenda-available-for-w3c-workshop-on-smart-voice-agents/
15:09:59 <tsaulter> present+
15:10:50 <Neha> Roy: Workshop announcement, link shared
15:11:01 <Roy_Ruoxi> present+
15:11:28 <Neha> janina: It is virtual, can be of interest of lot of people
15:11:50 <Roy_Ruoxi> homepage -> https://www.w3.org/2025/10/smartagents-workshop/index.html
15:12:02 <Neha> matatk: check for registration details
15:13:29 <Neha> Fredrik: Zero project conference in Vienna https://zeroproject.org/conferences/zero-project-conference-2026
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15:13:58 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:13:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [Spec review requests](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:14:05 <mpaiva> Present
15:15:02 <janina> present+
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15:15:25 <matatk> subtopic: CSS Anchor Positioning
15:15:32 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/289
15:15:38 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/142
15:17:36 <Neha> mpaive: has reviewed it, noted down understanding, added a usecase, details - anchoring a tooltip or popover to a control,
15:17:36 <Neha> increasing zoom to 200–400%,
15:17:36 <Neha> and triggering the anchored content near the viewport edge, where the visual relationship between the anchor and anchored element becomes difficult or impossible to perceive.
15:18:09 <Neha> mpaive: you want me to review your guidelines only or something else?
15:18:24 <Neha> matatk: let me see if they want to cover us somthing
15:18:53 <Neha> matatk: Accessibility section should be improved and some references should be added
15:20:55 <PaulG> q+
15:21:01 <Neha> matatk: overall yes it helps for above questions
15:22:07 <Neha> matatk: Paul had mentioned about pop over examples and Neha has added that
15:23:02 <Neha> matatk: APA needs to say if spec improves the situation, but yes we have some concerns , as a group we can add accessibiliy section to this spec
15:23:09 <Neha> matatk: we can start with google docs
15:24:31 <matatk> ack PaulG
15:24:55 <Neha> matatk: We can mention and inform that we are working on it and will be ready in a couple of weeks
15:27:34 <janina> q+
15:27:50 <Neha> PaulG: Positioning can be controlled with Javascript but can be skipped, do we need last sentence where we mention do not add many things
15:28:42 <Neha> PaulG, mpaiva - happy to help in editing
15:28:53 <matatk> PaulG: doing the work in JS - you have to manipulate the attributes already and may as well do the positioning there, and have a resize observer to address Marcelo's use case
15:28:53 <matatk> this means they can get through QA faster w/o doing the proper accessibility work
15:28:53 <matatk> like that first thing is a giant warning that says you can't rely on visual positioning to express the semantic info
15:28:53 <matatk> aria-details doesn't work yet - should remove
15:28:55 <matatk> if you're building it yourself and not using popover api, you need aria-expanded
15:28:55 <matatk> last sentence - about 'difficult to comprehend' - do we need that? why is this needed. Just make the semantic bindings
15:28:55 <matatk> point to existing docs like APG for the patterns (which will update at some point)
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15:29:19 <matatk> ack janina
15:29:31 <Neha> janina: I agree with Paul
15:30:01 <matatk> s/this means they this means they/... this means they/
15:30:12 <Fazio> +1
15:30:14 <matatk> s/like that first/... like that first/
15:30:14 <Neha> janina: Operative term is overuse - it should be illustrative what is mean by operative
15:30:17 <matatk> q?
15:30:40 <matatk> subtopic: DVB Implementation Guidelines
15:30:51 <marcelo> present+
15:31:27 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/266
15:32:12 <Neha> matatk: couple of things will pop up one janina and matatk go through it
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15:33:29 <Neha> matatk: Tiffiany has already added comments but still anyone want to have a look by next week
15:34:44 <Neha> janina: noone has experty on captioning but they have done a good job in adding details
15:36:43 <Neha> matatk: for this one we can start with another google docs and then we can share it with them, and start getting feedback to them
15:37:36 <Neha> janina: I will be better prepared by next week, if anyone want to help in this
15:37:55 <Neha> janina: It is a big read and not a simple document
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15:38:47 <Neha> janina: instead of going through whole document, go through TOC and pick a topic to go through
15:39:42 <Neha> Dr_Keith: I am not getting rmeinders from bot, can someone send me reminder for this
15:40:35 <Neha> zakim, next item
15:40:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Issue tracking](https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues) -- taken up [from janina]
15:40:47 <matatk> subtopic: Scroll-triggered animations
15:40:52 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/272
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15:42:51 <Neha> matatk: google docs summarize all the discussion we had on all the threads
15:43:18 <matatk> q?
15:43:27 <Neha> matatk: if someone wants to start working, follow the link for issue and google doc
15:43:46 <matatk> subtopic: Web platform gap: motion
15:43:48 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-tracking/issues/290
15:44:04 <Neha> matatk: we talked about this last week
15:44:51 <Neha> matatk: I wanted to log an issue on TACS regarding this gap
15:45:30 <JenStrickland> q+
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15:46:17 <matatk> ack JenStrickland
15:46:34 <Neha> matatk: I have added a long comment regarding motion
15:47:24 <Neha> JenStrickland: Carousels are not applied to animations, but it should be enforced
15:48:00 <janina> q+ with a process question
15:48:11 <Neha> matatk: I am adding videos and user may need to pause the motin, I have updated the comment
15:48:24 <janina> q+ to ask about any TAG process guidance in documenting gaps
15:48:28 <JenStrickland> I'd like to see a suggestion that being able to stop animations at a user request.
15:49:03 <matatk> q?
15:49:07 <Neha> matatk: User agents know the content is animated
15:49:07 <matatk> ack janina
15:49:07 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask about any TAG process guidance in documenting gaps
15:49:24 <JenStrickland> In CSS animations it is possible to set it to stop after a set number, or anything.
15:49:51 <Neha> janina: I am proposing to write a template
15:50:03 <Neha> matatk: Please add it as an issue
15:50:57 <matatk> s/I am proposing to write a template/I am proposing to write an issue about viewing and selecting content in lists - the back button doesn't work after you've selected an item/
15:51:05 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/28-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:51:20 <Neha> janina: Years ago we have user agents, but now this is the path from where we can start again, so this is very important
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15:52:31 <Neha> q?
15:53:12 <mike_beganyi> Nice work, Neha!
15:53:20 <JenStrickland> Yes, please, publish it!
15:53:24 <mike_beganyi> +1
15:53:27 <Neha> +1
15:53:28 <Eric_hind> +1
15:53:29 <tsaulter> +1
15:53:44 <marcelo> +1
15:55:46 <matatk> scribe+
15:55:57 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
15:55:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/28-apa-minutes.html matatk
15:57:22 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
15:57:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, matatk, mike_beganyi, JenStrickland, Fazio, Fredrik, Dr_Keith, PaulG, Neha, JonCohn, tsaulter, Roy_Ruoxi, marcelo, Eric_hind
15:57:23 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:57:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2026/01/28-apa-minutes.html Zakim
15:57:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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