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19:17:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
19:18:24 <janina> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge (A11yEdge) Community Group Teleconference
19:18:30 <janina> Chair: Janina
19:18:35 <janina> Date 28 Jan 2026
19:18:44 <janina> Date 28 Jan 2026
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19:38:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, who is here
19:38:20 <Zakim> Lionel_Wolberger, you need to end that query with '?'
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19:38:25 <Zakim> Present: janina, Lionel_Wolberger, Mike
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19:41:08 <Mike> Mike Paciello is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
19:41:08 <Mike> Topic: Accessibility At the Edge Meeting
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19:49:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Administratrivia
19:49:38 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: I will be sending an updated meeting, please use that Zoom link
19:49:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> Topic: Jason's Emails
20:00:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: I read 3 ARIA post-source remedations examples from Jason's email of 3 December 2025
20:01:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... In the real world, accessibility enhancements—especially ARIA attributes—are often introduced after a website is built.
20:01:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... These are not theoretical patterns. Governments, Fortune-100 companies, agencies, and SaaS platforms all use “post-source accessibility layers” to retrofit ARIA without rewriting original code.
20:01:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Example 1: GOV.UK: Injecting aria-live and Fixing Conditional Reveals
20:01:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Example 2: Enterprise AEM Site (Fortune 100): Accessibility Overlay Layer
20:01:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Example 3: Agency Case Study (BakkenBæck / Phantom): ARIA Roles Added Post-Build
20:02:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> Mike: We will need citations.
20:02:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... if this is Jason's own work, then it will not be as powerful as having evidence from a 3rd party
20:06:21 <Mike> https://adrianroselli.com/2022/09/accessibility-at-the-edge-w3c-cg-is-an-overlay-smoke-screen.html
20:06:43 <Mike> I think this is an important post that we should take into consideration.
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20:11:00 <Mike> Excellent! These are all good resources that we should consider. Both are experts in the field whose viewpoints I personally value.
20:12:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Jason also sent JAWS improvements as examples of post-source accessibility improvements
20:12:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... FSCompanion, and a feature called AI Labeler / Page Explorer, JAWS reads ARIA attributes, table headers, form controls, and list structures more reliably.
20:14:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and support for multi-line Braille output
20:16:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Can we speak to Rich Schwerdtfeger about Aria, and why post-source seems so amenable to modifying ARIA?
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